Sounders for fire alarms in flats

[AndrewDod]

baldelectrician,

Thank you -- I'll ask all that stuff. I guess the real question is whether there is some guidance as to a) volume and b) actual audibility - of an alarm given its location. And who is responsible -- for example I imagine an installer will install what they are asked to...

[AndrewDod]

a) The link does not in any shape or form say what you are asserting (that you cannot peacefully carry someone out and have to obtain a court order)
b) Even if it did (which it does not) Shelter is hardly a source for an unbiased view of the law. A lot of what they present as supposed rules/law...

[AndrewDod]

Yes so it boils down to whether carrying someone out (without causing injury) is not peaceful removal. Again case law applying to lodgers would be useful. In the absence of settled case law or actual law I cannot see how your position stands as any sort of definitive principle as to what people cannot...

[AndrewDod]

A recently installed fire alarm system installed in a block of flats in which I am a lessee (at great expense - 8K).
It has just been tested. It appears that the system has heat sensors in the flats, but only a single sounder in the common passageway.

It turns out that with the flat...

[AndrewDod]

So in summary there is absolutely no evidence or any law or any caselaw to supposed the supposed "difference in rights" in this particular scenario fort an ex-lodger nor any evidence whatever that breaching those supposed previous rights would be a problem. It is not a "simple fact"....

[AndrewDod]

Sorry but I don't agree with you. If you can point me to a case reference where a landlord was sanctioned for gently moving an abusive ex-lodger (now trespasser) out of a property I would be most obliged. This should be a police matter, or for police supervision (if we had a functioning police service)....

[AndrewDod]

You owe the CT to the Council. The tenants may owe you the extra day depending on the contract you have with them....

[AndrewDod]

In contrast to the US (where you can use a bullet) in the UK you can use reasonable force, or arrange for others to do so. Whatever is needed to get them out of the door (i.e not a gratuitous beating unless you want to go to jail). Just as a bouncer would gently remove someone from a nightclub. So if...

[AndrewDod]

I think I kind of said that - "promise of a later bonus" - is a prelude to the sentences that follow. But yes I agree it could have been more precisely worded....

[AndrewDod]

What would you do if you invited a neighbour over for a cup of tea and they refused to leave?

[AndrewDod]

Why gloomy? It is exactly what the OP on this thread (and a few others) is discussing. What an utterly silly response. Of course people should be safe in their homes -- many are not (and domestic abuse has skyrocketed during lockdown)....

[AndrewDod]

You may have a chance, but I wouldn't bank on it. The red lines do not override the words - generally they are regarded as vague blodges (and if they did the freeholder would be responsible for your interior decoration as well with these blodges!).

That said I am not 100% sure why you...

[AndrewDod]

Curious indeed

[AndrewDod]

No. 4 weeks notice would only apply to a weekly tenancy, not a monthly SPT....

[AndrewDod]

You would be on a periodic tenancy. I would give notice to the landlord to terminate the whole tenancy (for everyone) and then leave when the notice is expired. One full tenancy month. You could ask the landlord if they would grant a new tenancy in your sole name if you like.

Unless you...

[AndrewDod]

I don't know about that. The "Law" massively damages decent tenants - i.e. most tenants - good people. I think it is more about the law protecting criminals. And we know where that ends up....

[AndrewDod]

I suspect if you took it to Tribunal they would say you are responsible for the frames.
It mentions glass separately. And words the doors sort of in parallel.

In a way it would be cheaper in the long run for you to take this responsibility. Just make sure it applies to all flats not...

[AndrewDod]

The Sheffield case will be for a lease that is ambiguous and defines and uses other terms such as "the building". It is not a general rule.

Everything is going to turn on the exact wording of your specific lease....

[AndrewDod]

Even that the numpties that have set up tenants to lose do not allow -- you are NOT ALLOWED to reduce the rate of rent or to provide any sort of a promise of a later bonus. Not allowed to have a higher rate of rent initially and then lower it for the majority of tenants who have proven themselves to...

[AndrewDod]

Yes. But before. It's not like an own residence where you have a duration of time afterwards....