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    Parking fines / Pedestrian Zones

    Over the years have got parking tickets outside my rentals. I did n't have much of a choice. As only residents could park, but the tenant did n't have (or apply for) visitors parking permit. Apparently landlords can't get permits. No parking meters either. Is this tax deductible expense?

    My local council is greedy. They are also trying to find new ways to make money. I was caught stopping on a yellow box junction. Traffic was moving, but got caught out. Funny, they always seem to have CCTV for motorists.

    In another place, I went through a road which say was a pedestrianised zone, it was a regular road, but they the signs in places where drivers would miss it. I paid it rather then appeal. Is this tax deductible? This journey too was property related. Lots of drivers have been caught.

    It is funny, I have been gone through a no entry sign, but I fell for traps, which have CCTV on them!. Many more councils are getting desperate for money, so turning to unscrupulous ways, to catch people out....







    #2
    'Bus, taxi, walk, use an agent?

    Tax deductible? Nah...
    I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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      #3
      NO - fines/penanlties for motoring offences are not Tax deductible.
      (They are your own fault for ignoring the rules, they are not a business expense).

      Over the years have got parking tickets outside my rentals.

      I was caught stopping on a yellow box junction.

      I went through a road which say was a pedestrianised zone

      It is funny, I have been gone through a no entry sign
      And that's why they use cctv - to catch motorists who think they can regularly ignore the rules/law and get away with it.

      Have you ever considered that if you were not regularly ignoring the rules then you wouldn't keep getting caught?

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        #4
        No sympathy. Pay up

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          #5
          You have my sympathy. Earlier this year I had a bad leg, so rather than park a quarter mile from my rental, I parked in the 'resident's parking' area next to it, and got fined.

          I'll be putting in my fine to my accountant, and let him decide if I have a leg to stand on.

          Rab C Nesbit just earned his place back on my ignore list, in view of his smug condescending reply to you.

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            #6
            Have you ever considered that if you were not regularly ignoring the rules

            I disagree with this remark. I am not ignoring rules!!!

            I meant to say, I have never gone though a NO ENTRY sign. I have never had a speeding fine. Never been involved in a major collision. No traffic light violation. Never been in bus lane. I have a clean license.

            However, I was trapped in a Yellow box junction. It was n't a straight forward one.....Not going to explain or show photos, but pretty sure if you were new to the area, you would get caught out too.... lots of people get caught out.

            The No motor vehicle sign was a on regular road, no distinction and was camouflaged with other things to distract people. It was designed to catch people out.

            If I have made a genuine mistake, would have accepted it, but not if they set up as traps. I have always paid the fines.

            With regards to parking fine, I don't have much of a choice. If I am talking to builders / tenants / investigating an urgent or bringing material for them etc... I am hands on landlord and I carry tools too....

            These have happened with a gap of several years....




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              #7
              Put the rent up to include an occasional parking fine then.
              Put the increase in a seperate 'penalty pot' to use for paying any parking fines.

              A friend was recently refurbing a nearby property, he knew that he couldn't avoid getting multiple parking tickets during the job so simply put extra on his quote to cover them.

              As for the rest, I find it interesting how certain people always seem to be getting caught out multiple times through 'no fault of their own'; while others never have such problems.

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                #8
                Originally posted by JK0 View Post
                You have my sympathy. Earlier this year I had a bad leg, so rather than park a quarter mile from my rental, I parked in the 'resident's parking' area next to it, and got fined.

                I'll be putting in my fine to my accountant, and let him decide if I have a leg to stand on.

                Rab C Nesbit just earned his place back on my ignore list, in view of his smug condescending reply to you.
                The fine is a business expense, which can be charged to the rental income of the rental property..

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                  #9
                  Interesting argument, if the "fine" was from a private parking company then you could claim it as parking charges and a business expense.
                  But a genuine fine from a local authority for breaking the law couldn't legally be claimed.
                  But then, if you're prepared to ride roughshod over parking laws then you probably don't care about complying with tax rules either,

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                    #10
                    Section20z,

                    That's not correct, fines can be legitimate business expenses, in the same way that overdraft fees and legal expenses can be.
                    They possibly shouldn't arise if you run things properly, but if they arise wholly and exclusively as a result of business activity, they're legitimate expenses.

                    It might be ill advised to park illegally, but that's not a factor in tax treatment.
                    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                      #11
                      Really, you sure about that ? So if I got a speeding fine rushing to a tenant emergency it's tax deductible ???

                      https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/bim42515
                      Me thinks not

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                        #12
                        Fines can be expenses (as a general rule).
                        Originally posted by Section20z View Post
                        Really, you sure about that ? So if I got a speeding fine rushing to a tenant emergency it's tax deductible ???
                        That might not be allowed if it's not wholly and exclusively for the business - same as the examples in the OPs post about careless driving.

                        The issue is different where someone is self employed or comprises the whole business.
                        The actions of the business and the person involved are indivisible.

                        The manual's examples aren't really helpful there, because they assume in their example that the employee and employer aren't the same person and don't have the one "mind".
                        So the business doesn't get a speeding ticket, an employee does and then another decision is made.
                        So it's not IBM getting a parking ticket it's John Smith while working for IBM.

                        If I'm making a business allowable trip (so it satisfies the wholly and exclusively rule) and make an error of judgement and incur a parking fine, that is also part of the trip and the expense should be allowable. I am the business in this case, there's no one else to make any separate decision.

                        The problem that arises is that if the trip is wholly and exclusively a business expense it can't have a separate element (the speeding or the parking) that isn't, otherwise the wholly and exclusive notion is undermined.

                        You might, for instance, argue that the speeding element of your example is a separate element to the business trip, is a personal benefit, and disqualifies the whole trip.
                        When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                        Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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