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  • Acid attack ?

    Today's big news revealed 408 cases of acid attack and disfigurement of the face since Nov 2016.

    Victims can be scarred for life and suffer huge loss of earning during the remainder of their life.

    Any ideas on how to help the victims ? What is the proper punishment for the attackers who think they can escape being caught.

  • #2
    Not a great time to work for Deliveroo or be a young person where there are gangs.

    The practical problem seems to be that chasing after people riding mopeds and small motorcycles isn't very easy and the people doing the damage are hard to catch.
    Acid is already a weapon and any assault would be aggravated - so I don't know why politicians feel the need to demand tougher sentences, the existing rules cover the situation.

    So we either need to make things easier to catch the culprits or make the substances more difficult to obtain.

    I bought some hydrochloric acid based "stuff" from amazon to clean up some brickwork where limestone was leaching out of the mortar.
    It's bloody strong stuff and would probably be devastating if used as a weapon - no age check, no warning and no restriction on my buying it.

    I assume Amazon know I'm over 18 - they seem to know everything else about me, but if you buy a knife they at least ask you to confirm you're allowed to buy it.
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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    • #3
      If guns were available there would be less acid attacks I guess.

      We have a general breakdown of law and order -- due to
      - a failure of policing (that goes beyond mere funding
      - The need to turn a blind eye to some very serious criminal offenses
      so as to be sensitive to certain population groups
      - absence of proper punishment even when people are caught
      - Politicians who bend over backwards to apologise and condone
      fascist thuggery (Corbyn being the prime example of that)

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      • #4
        How true. Ultra PC backfiring on us all, Add to that the saviour of the masses and his cronies inciting violence in a way I would never have thought possible in this country...I know so many wonderful sane and sensible people who have been taken in by Corbyn. It is frightening. As for absence of proper punishment - that is a difficult one. I agree with some major Crown Court crimes. But what do you do with the shoplifter or person who commits a minor assault offence for the 2nd or 3rd (or 10th) time? Prison for 6 weeks - serves 3? Enormous cost to the country no rehabilitation and contact with more serious criminals? And remember that those who impose sentences are bound by strict sentencing guidelines from which they may only deviate with extremely good reason (which must be justified).
        Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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        • #5
          The maximum sentence for GBH (which is what an acid attack would be if "successful") is life imprisonment.
          The sentencing guidelines would allow that sentence.

          It makes the stupid posturing by the Home Secretary just look embarrassing.
          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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          • #6
            I would have put it at GBH with intent which is worse....Corbyn would probably give them a pat on the back and tell them not to be naughty!
            Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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            • #7
              If the victim suffers life time scarring , its fitting for the attacker to be given life time imprisonment.

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              • #8
                I agree.

                It doesn't require any change in the law to achieve that, though.
                Being scarred by acid is the same as being scarred with any weapon (if quicker).
                When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                • #9
                  The London Evening Standard paper ( 4th Aug 2017) reported the Crown Prosecution Service will be seeking tougher sentencing for possession of offensive weapon including corrosive substances up to potential 4 years in jail and maximum life sentence for those who throw acid .

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                  • #10
                    Simple solution - the attacker should get the same treatment as he/she meted out to his or her victim. The part of the body that gets the "treatment" to be chosen by the victim. After Brexit, hopefully we can modify the human rights legislation to allow something like this.

                    I know which body part I'd choose!

                    This may all sound a bit like something that would only happen in Saudi Arabia but our political class seem enthralled by Saudi Arabia and it's oil dollars anyway, so no reason why it couldn't happen!

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                    • #11
                      The law of Hammurabi does not apply in UK
                      I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                      • #12
                        ........yet!

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