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    I have kept my horse at a private yard continuously for three years. I don't have a signed agreement and I have always paid in cash. I have never defaulted or paid late and now because someone new is coming to the Yard I have been given a months notice to leave. What are my rights?

    #2
    Unfortunately in absence of a signed livery agreement there is no official notice requirement for livery yards. The horses are not tenants; if anything they are lodgers ... and without a contract there is no statutory notice period. Many yards ask people to leave within 24 hours in case of dispute, so at least you have 4 weeks to look for another livery space.

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      #3
      Do you think you will be hoofed out after that?
      The advice I give should not be construed as a definitive answer, and is without prejudice or liability. You are advised to consult a specialist solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

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        #4
        Well, you never know, but I suppose that there is always a chance of a whip being used!

        P.P.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Lizi View Post
          I have kept my horse at a private yard continuously for three years. I don't have a signed agreement and I have always paid in cash. I have never defaulted or paid late and now because someone new is coming to the Yard I have been given a months notice to leave. What are my rights?
          Is this the same case, by any chance:
          http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...ad.php?t=30852?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Ericthelobster View Post
            Is this the same case, by any chance:
            http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...ad.php?t=30852?
            I was wondering that!

            I was also wondering whether - in the case you link to - the livery stables owner had 'taken against' the horse, or its owner. (I can imagine taking against a horse, quite easily. I've done it myself. All-night parties, oats all over the floor, loud whinnying at all hours, all that straw to muck out at the end of the tenancy. Give me students any day!).
            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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              #7
              Stable & Field

              On the one hand someone says that the Landlord is running a business (Debi)and therefore she has no way of getting rid of the tenant. On the other hand others are saying that the tenant (Lizi) has no rights at all.

              If these two are linked I am confused as to who has what rights, if any.

              It would seem quite an important issue.

              If it is proved that the Landlord is taking liveries, then she is running a business and she should be declaring all income to HMRC - naughty girl if she isn't. In that case does the livery then not take on a business status as suggested by Lawcruncher ???

              I'm no lawyer but can see why they argue !!!!!

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                #8
                Originally posted by BIGDCS View Post
                On the one hand someone says that the Landlord is running a business (Debi)and therefore she has no way of getting rid of the tenant. On the other hand others are saying that the tenant (Lizi) has no rights at all.

                If these two are linked I am confused as to who has what rights, if any.

                It would seem quite an important issue.

                If it is proved that the Landlord is taking liveries, then she is running a business and she should be declaring all income to HMRC - naughty girl if she isn't. In that case does the livery then not take on a business status as suggested by Lawcruncher ???

                I'm no lawyer but can see why they argue !!!!!
                I cannot see that anyone's tax status has any bearing on either case, whether or not they are linked.

                It is rather like asking whether all H & S regulations are being observed, or whether the horse eats oats bought from a British supplier or a foreign one. It really is immaterial.

                What people are asking are what their rights regarding 'eviction' are, in the first case as the LL and in the second (which may or may not be related), as tenant/customer.
                'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
                  All-night parties, oats all over the floor, loud whinnying at all hours, all that straw to muck out at the end of the tenancy.
                  Was that the students or the horses? Readybrek is messy stuff and a pain to clean off ceilings when dried on.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Snorkerz View Post
                    Was that the students or the horses? Readybrek is messy stuff and a pain to clean off ceilings when dried on.
                    I know! I have known a toddler stick his head to the breakfast table with it before now. It's like Araldite.

                    In contrast, a student kitchen at breakfast-time can easily be identified by
                    (i) the total absence of breakfasters
                    (ii) the large number of foil trays containing leftover curry scrapings from the night before
                    (iii) the large number of bottles/cans, ditto

                    In the unlikely even that you do stumble over a breakfasting human being, it will be
                    (i) in its pyjamas/boxers
                    (ii) eating Pot Noodle (not Readybrek), washed down with vodka
                    (iii) wearing a look of extreme bafflement
                    'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                      #11
                      Letting to horses? I'd say nay.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
                        Letting to horses? I'd say nay.
                        Hay - now that's unfair!
                        'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                          #13
                          There's no foal like an old foal.
                          JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
                          1. Public advice is believed accurate, but I accept no legal responsibility except to direct-paying private clients.
                          2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
                          3. For paid advice about conveyancing/leaseholds/L&T, contact me* and become a private client.
                          4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
                            There's no foal like an old foal.
                            You're just a man of straw.
                            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                              #15
                              And you're un-stable?
                              JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
                              1. Public advice is believed accurate, but I accept no legal responsibility except to direct-paying private clients.
                              2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
                              3. For paid advice about conveyancing/leaseholds/L&T, contact me* and become a private client.
                              4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

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