Why does sex education fail so often?

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  • Rodent1
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    I completely agree, but neither is it a very nice thing to be!

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  • Izzycam
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    That's not a very nice word to say!

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  • Rodent1
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    Originally posted by Sorrel View Post
    Also the fact that anyone of 5 others could be the father and not just this one 13 year old definitely means she isn't in control.....slaaaaaaaaaaaaag

    Hopefully the correct one can be identified, further, hopefully he will be 18+, get charged with rape and pay for the child's upbriging.
    Altho it is more likely that the nanny state will povide a babysitting service for child, whilst parents are sent on a fully paid "safari" trip to "improve their chanves in life" ?

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  • Sorrel
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    Also the fact that anyone of 5 others could be the father and not just this one 13 year old definitely means she isn't in control.....slaaaaaaaaaaaaag

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  • agent46
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    Originally posted by Izzycam View Post
    Sorry to interrupt, I thought it was our job as parents to be in control......
    Parents should be in control, but whether they actually are in control is another matter. That was the question Jeffrey asked.

    My view is that there is a lethal combination of a failure of responsibility, morality and leadership by example on the part of many parents throughout their childrens' lives, combined with a prevailing cuture of rampant individualism, hopelessness, promiscuity and relationship short-termism.

    But why? At bottom, it seems to me that young people often suffer from a deep lack of self-respect, which, ironically, is masked with exaggerated demands for "respeck[sic]" from others. Young men are particularly prone to this, and seek to make up for this insecurity through displays of sexual prowess (ie: having multiple concurrent and consecutive girlfriends), which, of course, leads to inappropriate pregnancies with girls with whom they have little or no long term plans. I believe these feelings of insecurity and nihlism have their roots in the emasculation of an entire generation of men through the destruction of Britain's blue collar industries (especially manufacturing and mining) - in short, up until the 80s, most working class men would have been in gainful and, just as importantly, tiring full-time employment from the age of 16, which, incidentally, often carried along with it an entire collective culture and a close-knit community. However, nowadays, the work on offer for such sectors of society is as low paid as ever, but it is also frequently useless, demeaning and highly fragmented rather than collective and thus, when they can get by just as easily on the dole (plus a little petty crime on the side) such work holds little attraction for them. A life of drinking Stella, playing PS2 and getting a series of identikit "Donnas" up the duff awaits for these men-children.

    To some extent some or all of these problems permeate the UK in general, but they are especially prevalent, or at least manifest themselves most seriously, amongst the Jeremy Kyle classes.

    Given that these problems were rooted in Thatcher's policies, I find it rather ironic that "Dave" Cameron is constantly banging on about "Broken Britain"

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  • jeffrey
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    Originally posted by Izzycam View Post
    Sorry to interrupt, I thought it was our job as parents to be in control......
    Yes, except some don't exercise any (cf. 13-y-o Alfie's).

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  • Izzycam
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    Sorry to interrupt, I thought it was our job as parents to be in control......

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  • jeffrey
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    Originally posted by remyrobson View Post
    I feel sorry for these girls, their lives are not in their control.
    So who is in control, according to you?

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  • Izzycam
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    That's more like the reason.

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  • remyrobson
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    In my experience as a midwife it is a combination of ignorance and wanting to seem grown up that causes teens to have sex and get pregnant.

    Despite sex education being taught at schools many young girls we see have such terrible home lives and childhoods themselves it is the norm to bunk off school and miss all important classes.

    As to why they do not terminate, the most common answer I have heard is they were scared to either admit they were pregnant or seek a termination. Many teens come into hospital with an array of issues (imagine Jeremy Kyle show at its worst and multiply by 10) and pregnancy is just a symptom of more sinister problems. I feel sorry for these girls, their lives are not in their control.

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  • mind the gap
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    Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
    But one has to allow for inflation, surely.
    Yes, one certainly did.

    Followed by rapid deflation.

    And we won't dwell on the tyres (generally spare ones) associated with that phenomenon. Thank heaven for breastfeeding, I say. It restores the pre-boom landscape quite magically.

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  • jeffrey
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    Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
    True. And once when I was pregnant, I got a flat tyre. Does that count?
    But one has to allow for inflation, surely.

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  • mind the gap
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    Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
    Becoming pregnant in fact makes:
    a. something that was (often) flat into
    b. something with a significant increase in convexity for the duration.
    True. And once when I was pregnant, I got a flat tyre. Does that count?

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  • jeffrey
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    Originally posted by Rodent1 View Post
    "There may be a very small number who deliberately become pregnant 'just to get a flat' but it's a bit of a myth, really."
    Becoming pregnant in fact makes:
    a. something that was (often) flat into
    b. something with a significant increase in convexity for the duration.

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  • mind the gap
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    Originally posted by Rodent1 View Post
    "There may be a very small number who deliberately become pregnant 'just to get a flat' but it's a bit of a myth, really."

    Hmmm okay then !
    I'm glad we are in agreement, finally.

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