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    Should I change jobs

    Bit of a strange dilemma and I am doing my own head in and I think I need an outsiders view.

    So 6 months ago I was offered a job in another bathroom showroom in sales. Money was great, the showroom and staff but it was a logistical nightmare to get too (plus I almost left to go to this place 8 years ago)

    Spoke to my boss and he made an offer for me to stay which was in 4 years time he wanted to retire and he would give me the shop for free (nothing in writing) and make some of the changes I wanted in the shop. So I ended up staying because I don't have to work on sats, I can more or less book whatever days off I want and generally do what I want. When work is slow and can deal with my properties at work and even at times catch up on tv.

    The place that wanted me the owner has texted me again and again saying I still want you. Where I am now my boss made some small changes but in general has back to his awkward ways and to be honest I am not 100% happy.

    I dunno if its an age thing but he most of the time he is awkward and miserable. For example someone will buy a product and mess up the fitting of it and bring it back. You can clearly see what they did wrong and tell them sorry you messed up so you cannot return this item as its not faulty. But he'll take it back and refund it and we've lost money, customers owing money from 12 months ago and won't pay but he won't take any action. And i'll be thinking ffs this is why i'm not getting a pay rise because we are owed money plus everything is on paper in this place nothing at all is digital, even designs are done by hand. Whenever I want to book time off he gets moody and says why do you want it off? (none of your business what I am doing) But then on the plus side half my fuel is paid for, He pays my mobile phone and the money isn't bad for what I am doing and he pays my whole work place pension. Don't ask me how we are doing it but the shop is still going. I've been at this place 19 years now

    The other place is all nice,modern and up to date. Everything is computerised and got a good vibe plus its nice to be wanted but I just don't know what to do. I know my boss won't change plus the shop needs a good 20-30k chucking at it as its very dated. My wife was happy with the money on offer but not with me working on sats plus the journey would be 60-90 mins where as at the moment its 30 and if I am late I never get in trouble.

    I don't want to do a Phil Countinho and find the dream move turns into a nightmare but then again am I just scared as i've been at the same place since the place age of 19

    #2
    I am much older than you, but I would value the 10-12 hours not travelling and Saturdays at a premium.
    You can't get that time back.
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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      #3
      I agree, stay where you are and work on your portfolio more.

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        #4
        Looks like i'm going to have to disappoint the other place again lol

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          #5
          Better the devil you know? I wouldnt trade what sounds like a reasonable place (everywhere has it's irritants) for a long journey, Saturday work and a boss that may change completely once you are there.

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            #6
            OK so I told the other place thanks but no thanks. Last night I spoke to the shop owner and he said look what do I have to do to make you come and work for me(he won't take no for an answer)? I said tho I don't like my job it fits around my family and life so I don't want to work sats, I know you open at 9am but i'm not getting there until 10am and on thurs due to other commitments I need to finish at 4.30pm plus I still want that wage you were offering. So he said he can do all that and stick in writing to me which I said have emailed over today. My wife said to me if you can get all that then its probably worth the move.

            I did speak to my boss last week and said look this other lot are sniffing around I need in writing that you will give me the shop in 4 years times to which he said he can't do that and I just have to take his word for it. The new place is sounding very tempting now

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              #7
              Blimey.

              Be nice to be that wanted!
              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                #8
                Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                Blimey.

                Be nice to be that wanted!
                I know. Even I was shocked. I think i'm OK at my job but not that good. They've been asking around all the different brands and companies we both deal with and they've all said if you can get him he can steady the ship then give him what he wants. Like everyone is saying if you can get the hours your doing now plus more money then go for it.

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                  #9
                  The longer commute looks the only downside.

                  Provided the more money compensates for the longer work day, the only qualm I would have, personally, is why does the "ship" need "steadying"?
                  When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                  Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                    The longer commute looks the only downside.

                    Provided the more money compensates for the longer work day, the only qualm I would have, personally, is why does the "ship" need "steadying"?
                    They just keep getting idiots or anyone that is good won't do the journey. My current place to get too is 20 miles and this place is 24 but I have to tackle the M1 and then North Circular road where as my job its the M25 most of the way and a few country roads. Personally I don't mind driving. Bathroom sales is easy but can be very boring so most good people are mercenaries and muppets don't last long. Been talking to a few of my good customers today (as there is only 4 miles distance between us) and they have all used them in the past and said the family that own it are really good but every manager they have had has been useless so they said if you move over let us know and will follow you. The owner is mainly on the road dealing with trade customers like what my boss does but needs someone to take charge of the showroom and run it. There are 4 members of staff and I've been told by sales reps and customers only one of them is good. I suppose that is a downside as i've been on my own for the last 8 years running the place.

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                      #11
                      Managing people isn't easy.
                      Commuting into London isn't easy (my father did it for 20 odd years) and you have to consider it part of your work day.

                      But it sounds as if you're mentally already decided, which is a positive.
                      When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                      Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                        #12
                        I decided to take it and I start on the 18th. My boss didn't take it well and has buried his head in the sand. I gave him 5 weeks notice thinking that's more than enough to either replace me or hire a full time driver so he can then take over in the shop but he's done nothing.

                        My question is my customers? I said to them all thanks for your support over the years but i'm off so you'll have to deal with my MD from now on. All but 1 have been hounding me where I am going and said will follow you. I haven't had a contract since I first started in 2001 and there was nothing in there about taking customers. My wife is worried I could get sued but I don't think he could? Even his customers that caught wind of it have contacted me and said can I do any deals.

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                          #13
                          While you're working there you probably shouldn't do anything to negatively impact the business you're employed by.
                          Even if there's no contract that says you mustn't steal customers, while you're employed by business A you shouldn't work against their interests and support business B, with whom they compete.
                          The moment you aren't employed by company A any more, you are free from that obligation (in the absence of a contract with provisions that says you aren't).

                          You have to (theoretically at least) be careful not to use information that you only have as a result of working for company A, because that information belongs to them.
                          The reality is that most customer facing employees moving to a competitor very often take information with them, whether they're meant to or not.
                          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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