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  • islandgirl
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    Except that I know fruit farmers who did it every year and brought in workers from outside the EU...and people did grape picking even before we joined! The sky will not fall down, don't worry

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by islandgirl View Post
    Seasonal workers will still come over as they did pre EU and throughout the EU years.(from outside the EU).
    Except that isn't happening, because you can't get a work visa from outside the EU (or in the EU post December) unless the job you're coming to meets certain criteria, and most seasonal work doesn't
    Remember when students went grape picking in France? Rite of passage!
    Yes, another benefit lost because of Brexit.
    The free movement of labour which allowed people to do that was an EU thing.

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  • islandgirl
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    Seasonal workers will still come over as they did pre EU and throughout the EU years.(from outside the EU). Remember when students went grape picking in France? Rite of passage!

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  • Macromia
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..
    Conditions for ​any worker expected to "work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan..." should be improved.
    That's not what Brexit was ever about though.

    Increasing wages for fruit picking to the level where enough British workers will be willing to do what is a very physical job, will mean that prices for British fruit and veg would rise considerably - and the result would be higher prices in the shops and/or cheaper imported fruut and veg being bought instead, leading to British farming becoming uncompetitive.

    I'm still waiting to be told a single benefit that we will see from Brexit (a real one, not a claim that can be shown to be false with about five minutes of fact checking).

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  • Macromia
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    Originally posted by JK0 View Post
    The Slog tickled me yesterday:
    The slog is amusing - but only because the articles are so far removed from reality, and it's amusing (and somewhat depressing) that people can be so deluded.

    The linked article, for instance, implies that vaccines are bad and that the people vulnerable to Covid 19 can get 85% protection if 'herd immunity' is pursued.
    The problem with that is that herd immunity has only ever been obtained in two ways:
    1. Vaccination programs where ~80% or more of the population are vaccinated.
    2. After a disease has already killed off ~90%, or more, of those who are succeptible.

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  • JK0
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    The Slog tickled me yesterday:
    Before we get into the meat of this one, let me just point out one insight that may have passed people by. There is very obviously a widespread psychographic of risk-averse hypochandriacs abroad in the British population. You only have to look at the ease with which these easily frightened folks soaked up the Brexit…

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  • islandgirl
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    Seasonal workers will still come. I know some soft fruit farmers who recruit from Russia and former soviet states outside the EU for Summer work and have done for many years.

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  • Kape65
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    Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post

    So it's OK for transient foreign workers """to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..""""??

    And if it's not OK, how come the great british public were content for this to happen??
    The Great British public are not content for this to happen, that's why they voted leave!

    Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
    Entice British workers?? Are you saying you think they are currently happier to not work and rely on other sources of income??
    When I say entice I mean make picking fruit a better option than working in McDonalds or Costa. With better pay and conditions as I said.

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  • theartfullodger
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..
    So it's OK for transient foreign workers """to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..""""??

    And if it's not OK, how come the great british public were content for this to happen??



    Entice British workers?? Are you saying you think they are currently happier to not work and rely on other sources of income??

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  • Jon66
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..
    Because the supermarkets screw farmers so badly, that they can't pay a decent wage to seasonal workers. Employing British workers will result in either huge hikes in the price of food or more farmers packing up or both. Neither are good options for the rest of us. Personally I buy from smaller local farm shops and don't mind paying extra for the privilege but that is not an option for a lot of people.

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  • Kape65
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    Brexit will mean more immigration not less.
    When people can't visit from Europe for a few months to work seasonally, employers will have to bring in people from elsewhere who'll need to live here.
    Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..

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  • jpkeates
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    Brexit will mean more immigration not less.
    When people can't visit from Europe for a few months to work seasonally, employers will have to bring in people from elsewhere who'll need to live here.

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  • Macromia
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    Originally posted by Jon66 View Post

    I can't comment on education but I do know about law and the head of the Criminal Bar Association is published today in the Guardian stating that austerity cuts in legal aid and the courts service means some trials for recent charges are scheduled for 2023. This is horrendous. And I really would struggle to see how this state of affairs could be blamed on immigration.
    Spending on education has dropped by c8% under the Tories (including the Tory led coalition government).

    Immigration is used as a scape goat because there are enough xenophobic people in the UK for the politicians, and the media, to twist people's beliefs and opinions.

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  • Jon66
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    Originally posted by islandgirl View Post
    Some of it is to do with Covid though - my court are listing trials to April next year for existing charges (at the earliest)
    It was dire before covid due to the LASPO.

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  • islandgirl
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    Some of it is to do with Covid though - my court are listing trials to April next year for existing charges (at the earliest)

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