Brexit

[theartfullodger]

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Remember the days before mass immigration when you could get your child into the school you chose, a doctor's appointment in less than a fortnight and a road that wasn't a car park? ....

I was born before the NHS started: Yes you could get a doctor's appointment - IF you had the money. My dad had to pay hospital for delivery of my mother.

[theartfullodger]

Thank you for the various replies

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You actually know the answers but just don't agree with them, …

It’s probably my age, 72, stupidity and declining memory (really) but no I genuinely don’t know the answers to what are the genuine, actually worth something, different from what we had in the EU benefits of Brexit? I can happily list what was promised, but really don;t know what the sunlit uplands of this oven ready deal will bring the British people.

Could someone please just provide a list of at least 3 genuine benefits please? Doesn’t matter if I or anyone else disagrees with them, there’ll be a £50 donation to an agreed housing charity for simply posting the list. Eager to hear the good news.


Re the charity e.g. I’d be very happy with, say, Crisis for Christmas or the St Martin’s appeal but probably not for say the Old Etonian Housing Association or Alternative Housing – see

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...uted-landlords
- but feel free to make a suggestion.


Proof of payment will be provided!


Best wishes to all, regardless of your views!




Artful

[islandgirl]

In spite of your wonderful offer Artful I am not getting drawn in - been there and done that. You will discover the benefits once we are truly out of the EU and hopefully will remember this thread! Someone else less jaded may take you up on the offer and play along!

[Jon66]

Nearly all recent employment law comes from the eu, but I guess that's pretty irrelevant unless you happen to be a woman fired because she's pregnant, or are discriminated against due to your sexuality, or age etc.

I'm very concerned about the threats to ditch the ECHR and the prospect of losing the HRA is also very worrying, as are the attempts to curtail JR. All legal methods by which the government can be held to account.

Unfortunately this government doesn't seem to feel it has to follow or abide by the rule of law. As it keeps demonstrating. And a government whose minister harangues lawyers for simply doing their job reminds me of a tinpot nation with a dictator at it's head.

[Macromia]

Remember the days before mass immigration when you could get your child into the school you chose, a doctor's appointment in less than a fortnight and a road that wasn't a car park?
Personally I would rather have less money and a nicer, less crowded environment. Mass immigration is just so shortsighted.

Problems with school places and doctors appointments really shouldn't be blamed on immigration - schools and the NHS have both been underfunded for years (particularly by Tory governments).

[Jon66]

Problems with school places and doctors appointments really shouldn't be blamed on immigration - schools and the NHS have both been underfunded for years (particularly by Tory governments).

I can't comment on education but I do know about law and the head of the Criminal Bar Association is published today in the Guardian stating that austerity cuts in legal aid and the courts service means some trials for recent charges are scheduled for 2023. This is horrendous. And I really would struggle to see how this state of affairs could be blamed on immigration.

[islandgirl]

Some of it is to do with Covid though - my court are listing trials to April next year for existing charges (at the earliest)

[Jon66]

Some of it is to do with Covid though - my court are listing trials to April next year for existing charges (at the earliest)

It was dire before covid due to the LASPO.

[Macromia]

I can't comment on education but I do know about law and the head of the Criminal Bar Association is published today in the Guardian stating that austerity cuts in legal aid and the courts service means some trials for recent charges are scheduled for 2023. This is horrendous. And I really would struggle to see how this state of affairs could be blamed on immigration.

Spending on education has dropped by c8% under the Tories (including the Tory led coalition government).

Immigration is used as a scape goat because there are enough xenophobic people in the UK for the politicians, and the media, to twist people's beliefs and opinions.

[jpkeates]

Brexit will mean more immigration not less.
When people can't visit from Europe for a few months to work seasonally, employers will have to bring in people from elsewhere who'll need to live here.

[Kape65]

Brexit will mean more immigration not less.
When people can't visit from Europe for a few months to work seasonally, employers will have to bring in people from elsewhere who'll need to live here.

Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..

[Jon66]

Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..

Because the supermarkets screw farmers so badly, that they can't pay a decent wage to seasonal workers. Employing British workers will result in either huge hikes in the price of food or more farmers packing up or both. Neither are good options for the rest of us. Personally I buy from smaller local farm shops and don't mind paying extra for the privilege but that is not an option for a lot of people.

[theartfullodger]

Rubbish! You make it sound like all you have to do to get a British passport is to train as a fruit picker. How about improving the wages and working conditions to entice British workers, instead of expecting them to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..

So it's OK for transient foreign workers """to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..""""??

And if it's not OK, how come the great british public were content for this to happen??



Entice British workers?? Are you saying you think they are currently happier to not work and rely on other sources of income??

[Kape65]

So it's OK for transient foreign workers """to work for peanuts and live in a shitty caravan with 10 people they've never met before..""""??

And if it's not OK, how come the great british public were content for this to happen??

The Great British public are not content for this to happen, that's why they voted leave!

Entice British workers?? Are you saying you think they are currently happier to not work and rely on other sources of income??

When I say entice I mean make picking fruit a better option than working in McDonalds or Costa. With better pay and conditions as I said.

[islandgirl]

Seasonal workers will still come. I know some soft fruit farmers who recruit from Russia and former soviet states outside the EU for Summer work and have done for many years.