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    I give up! You either get it or you don't. You are either for a future of our choice or a future of choices made by a super-expensive group of non- accountable bureaucrats. As I say, I give up. For now.
    Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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      I'm for a future where the Uk's government, and the voting public in the UK, can directly influence our future and we retain as many freedoms as possible and have the best possible trade opportunities.

      This means remaining in the EU.
      Leaving the EU really doesn't give the UK more control over our future. If we leave the EU we will (eventually) end up following most rules and regulations that are decided by the EU without having any say in what those rules and regulations are. We will need to accept these in order to get a decent trade deal (including joining/remaining in a customs union) with the EU - which we need because trade with the EU will always be a significant part of UK trade.
      Outside of the EU we can make our own trade deals with countries elsewhere in the world, but we will not get better trade deals with other countries than the EU does. It probably will make it easier for the UK to agree a trade deal with the US, but only because the UK will be likely to agree to rules set by the US that other EU countries would not agree to - we would then be accepting rules and regulations set by the US (rules that the people in the UK have absolutely no say in).

      It is because I want the future of the UK to be chosen by the UK and its people (at least as far as is possible where global trade is concerned) that I am against leaving the EU, and why I know that leaving the EU without any sort of a deal is the worst possible outcome for the country.

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        Nope, not enough there to tempt me back!
        Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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          Originally posted by Macromia View Post

          The question remains:
          "How will the UK, and British citizens, benefit from leaving the EU?" - and this question is still unanswered.
          Well, the building sites will eventually have British workers on them ( more jobs for the indigenous people ).
          No more closing down of bus companies because they replaced bus drivers with foreigners who could not read road signs, which made them dangerous drivers ( look it up) so more jobs for the indigenous people

          No more millions of pounds a week of child benefit going to children of foreigners when the children don't even live in this country, never will, and are not British citizens. So less tax removed from the indigenous people.

          I have scores and scores more, but talking to people who don't live in the real world is pointless.

          90% of ATM's Robberies done by Romanians Immigrants
          Published on 28 Dec 2013
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xEV7aQRKvM ( may show below )



          U.K. Paying Benefits 50,000 Children who don't live Here? Insane
          Published on 28 Dec 2013
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVriot01C9U ( may show below )






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            Originally posted by ram View Post
            Well, the building sites will eventually have British workers on them ( more jobs for the indigenous people ).
            No more closing down of bus companies because they replaced bus drivers with foreigners who could not read road signs, which made them dangerous drivers ( look it up) so more jobs for the indigenous people
            The flaw in that argument is that there is currently negative unemployment in the UK.

            There are thousands of unfilled jobs, 50,000 in the NHS alone (mostly for non medical positions) and the number of unemployed people is so low that its made up of people who can't or won't work (plus the normal frictional unemployed who are between jobs).
            Employment in the UK is at an historic high.

            People aren't working on building sites or driving buses because they're choosing to work somewhere else, not because non British people are taking those jobs.
            When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
            Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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              Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
              People aren't working on building sites or driving buses because they're choosing to work somewhere else, not because non British people are taking those jobs.


              sorry, not correct. But time restrains prevent me from disproving your argument.
              But whatever anyone writes on here will NOT change how the treasonous Government screw us.


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                OK so Ram you have tempted me very briefly back in. People used to come and work here BEFORE we joined the EU on work visas. They would come for farm work (family experience of this) from not only the EU but across the world. Getting labour if it is needed is not a problem. The difference is that on a work visa they had no right to settle or bring family over. No right to benefits etc. So the point is people came here to fill labour shortages before the EU and can easily do so after....that's all folks
                Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                  Originally posted by islandgirl View Post
                  Getting labour if it is needed is not a problem. The difference is that on a work visa they had no right to settle or bring family over. No right to benefits etc.
                  I don't personally see anything wrong with the EU notion of free movement.
                  You're free to move to work anywhere, and, provided you're employed, you're entitled to all of the same benefits as a national of the country you're working in.
                  If you're not employed, your right to reside elapses (it's called the free movement of "labour" for a reason).

                  That successive UK governments have failed to keep track of immigrants to the UK doesn't mean the problem is immigrants.
                  It's incompetent governments.
                  When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                  Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                    ram:
                    Do you think that the building site and bus driver jobs that you mention weren't previously available to "indigenous people"?
                    All jobs that have been 'taken' by immigrants from the EU have been available to people who were born in the UK - if they were prepared to take them. If a UK bus company employed drivers who were unable to read UK road signs, they were never going to stay in business anyway because their hiring practices are poor.

                    It's possible that, without immigrants willing to do certain jobs, employers will be forced to improve the pay and/or conditions for those jobs in order to persuade "indigenous people" to take them - but that'll just mean that prices will go up increasing the cost of living in the UK (and businesses that export will become less competitive as a result).


                    The child benefit paid to EU immigrants is a fraction of the tax that they pay. EU immigrants are a net contributor to the UK economy, paying more in tax than they cost in benefits, healthcare, etc. Many prefer to go back to their country of origin for healthcare (if they can), and many only intend to be in the UK while they are working so won't become a burden on the NHS in old age.


                    As for crime, 'Full Fact' were unable to confirm precisely what the claims about Romanians and ATM robberies that the Express published in 2013 were based on. The figure of 92% seems to have been quoted by the then head of a police unit involved with investigation of cheque/card fraud, but how he got the figure, what time it referred to, and whether it was anecdotal, could not be identified.
                    https://fullfact.org/europe/over-her...-90-atm-crime/
                    I wonder what figures might have been mentioned in Spain (and some other Mediterranean countries) regarding the percentage of drunken violence that involves British citizens?

                    Crime in the UK is definitely not a problem that is restricted to EU immigrants.



                    I AM living in the real world.

                    One thing that you did get right:
                    Originally posted by ram View Post
                    But whatever anyone writes on here will NOT change how the treasonous Government screw us.
                    I suspect that it wasn't "government" that you meant though.
                    Boris Johnson's government are definitely trying to screw the people of the UK - but thankfully parliament is doing everything that it can to prevent this and to look after the countries best interests (as they were elected to do).

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                      See from "Led by Donkeys"...

                      & also on twitter...

                      https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...87759448449024
                      I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                        photoshop is a wonderful thing
                        Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                          Originally posted by islandgirl View Post
                          photoshop is a wonderful thing
                          It's a Lib Dem farm and farmer in Devon, and there's a video of them ploughing it.
                          So I think it's real.
                          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                            I have my doubts that it could be so neat but I suppose crop circles are pretty geometric! The belief that said circles are made by aliens is about as wacky as belief in the truth of this message though....Mind you I believe that spending loads of time doing this is almost as pointless as voting Lib Dem
                            Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                              Originally posted by islandgirl View Post
                              I have my doubts that it could be so neat
                              It only looks "so neat" in photos taken from a distance, which make the slight irregularities unnoticeable.

                              Actually ploughing this into the field probably took very little time. the only time consuming part would have been planning, and marking out where the plough would 'cut' the letters.

                              Since the stunt made it onto the websites of various national newspapers, as well as being passed around on Twitter, social media, and forums like this, it has served its purpose.
                              It is no more pointless than, for example, a bus with "we could save £350 million and use it for the NHS".

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                                Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                                ...in Devon, and there's a video of them ploughing it.
                                Actually in Wiltshire, apparently.

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