If you are found to not be gainfully SE then you can still carry on your SE and claim UC without coming under the MIF, so that's another way people are getting around it.
On the plus side of the MIF I was hoping it might shake the market removing some competition. I have to compete with a lot of casual underground workers already sometimes vastly undercutting me in my line of work. But looks like that situation is only going to get worse.
A UC thought.
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Originally posted by KeepTheFaith View PostI guess that's what they used to do before tax credits. The problem is that a lot of lower income SE are there for a reason eg restrictions due to caring responsibilities and long term health problems. These will end up having to quit SE as difficult to meet their MIF. In the absence of finding employment suitable for their circumstances will then just end up long term unemployed/claiming disability under UC and not doing anything.
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Originally posted by Berlingogirl View PostClaymore,
It IS a nightmare. If any LLs are claiming tax credits join FB sites - UC and the SE etc and see the devastation UC has caused.just offered a survival package to somebody living fairly near by.
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Originally posted by theartfullodger View PostNow why would my last post suddenly go "Unapproved"
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I guess that's what they used to do before tax credits. The problem is that a lot of lower income SE are there for a reason eg restrictions due to caring responsibilities and long term health problems. These will end up having to quit SE as difficult to meet their MIF. In the absence of finding employment suitable for their circumstances will then just end up long term unemployed/claiming disability under UC and not doing anything.
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KeepTheFaith,
It's all just bonkers for the SE. I can see us all slipping through the net, only using cash and going underground.
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Originally posted by leaseholder64 View Post
That's accruals basis accounting, which Berlingogirl say that the UC people won't accept, whereas HMRC prefer it, and insist on it for companies.
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I am an SE T and been worrying about the MIF since hearing about it in 2013. But hope is that someone will judicial review it on discrimination grounds, (see fb UC and SE group for info) and that could lead to them changing it or abandoning it altogether, hopefully not before too long and before they start migrating people over to UC!
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Claymore,
It IS a nightmare. If any LLs are claiming tax credits join FB sites - UC and the SE etc and see the devastation UC has caused.
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Originally posted by leaseholder64 View Post
That's accruals basis accounting, which Berlingogirl say that the UC people won't accept, whereas HMRC prefer it, and insist on it for companies.
Leaseholder - you don't . don't , don't want to investigate UC and the SE (bet you do though!).
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My post just went unapproved as well. Although that's probably because I had 4 links in there.
Maybe the spam filters have been tightened up?
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Self employment with an irregular income is a recognised problem with UC.
(TBH although replacing 6 benefits most of UC seems set up as if it was for unemployed Jobseekers only).
You might be interested in these 3 (short) threads on Rightsnet, (a forum for benefits advisors):
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/12487/
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/11922/
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/12302/
That last one refers to this Works & Pensions Select Committee inquiry into the problem of SE and irregular income.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...vidence-17-19/
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Originally posted by Claymore View PostSounds like a nightmare! I would guess you would just record the rent as if it had been received and continue in the normal process of chasing debts.
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Sounds like a nightmare! I would guess you would just record the rent as if it had been received and continue in the normal process of chasing debts.
I guess UC have a help desk, but I bet they won't know what to do either. Anyway, relax for the mo - its not UC yet and it might not happen if everyone prays hard.
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Hmmmmm perhaps rent paid weekly rather than monthly might help.
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