Electric safety - who is responsible for incoming supply problems?

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  • Codger
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    On reading on money savin expert it sounds as if the dno should pay up tp the meter unless you are requesting an upgrade or you damage their cable. If you ask for an upgrade that they can charge whatever they like.

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  • Codger
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    I wonder if this is another bit of vague badly written law that only gets sorted out by judges when someone objects?
    it seems unfai that people in flats have to pay for something houseowners get free.

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  • baldelectrician
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    Glad you got it sorted

    What did he do ?

    The supply cable is not the householders / owners responsibility

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  • Phil hurst
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    The moral of this tale is to get more than one electrician to look at the job and focus on resolving the actual problem. Found an electrician who successfully got reading down to safe level charging just under £200.00. No need for a new supply. Thanks for advice as it’s easy to believe what the big companies can say.

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  • baldelectrician
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    This is the problem with privatisation, shareholders take priority.

    Back in the day I (before the local DNO sacked their employees and put everyone out to tender) I could call my local office and speak to someone who could string a sentence together and actually knew their job inside out and what was a priority etc.
    Now you get some person reading off a script with not enough knowledge

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  • Codger
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    With so much money involv ed i would want a legal opinion before letting the dno charge us tens of thousands. I wonder if the law is clear. The dno has an interrst ln charging us so i would not expect them to be impartial.
    potentially we could end up with four tesms of electricians to improve one supply. Thats free holder leaseholder supply co and dno!

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  • baldelectrician
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    We don't have freeholders up here

    The local REC (SPEN) actually replaced the supplies and laterals in several hundred flats in my local town in the past few years

    They have a planned maintenance programme- as well as a reactive one.

    If I call about a job they are there the same day and fix quickly, although they pop the non urgent stuff on to a planned maintenance plan.

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  • flyingfreehold
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    It was only a small block of six flats, but the potential cost for large inter-war estates with numerous blocks set in extensive grounds is enormous. The cost of the work was around £2500 per flat. One of the shortcomings of RTM is that Boards become a have a tendancy to be more interested in decorating the internal common parts than tackling works to the infrastructure which are overdue.

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  • Codger
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    Ouch. Sorry to hear that ff. How many flats and what did it cost!

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  • flyingfreehold
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    I believe that the law has changed such that the Freeholder of a Block of flats (or residents Management Company) owns the cable from the point it crosses the legal boundary underground all the way to the consumer unit of each flat; with the meter being owned by the electricity grid in an "island" of ownership. This is at a huge potential cost to service charges to upgrade. There is another twist. The Supplier wont enliven the new supply cable unless each flat owner has a satisfactory electrical safety certificate for that flat.

    I happen to know about this because some pre war supply cables insulated in calendered cloth in tar started overheating serving a block of flats that we manage; and the whole thing has turned into a very big ticket

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  • Codger
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    I had a similar attempt to pass costs to the freeholder . But i insisted and they fixe d it. Now they have replaced the main fuseholder in the flat but will no doubt try to get the block free holder to do the expensive job of replacing the box and cabling that distributes 3phase supply between the flats it is all maybe 50years old!
    it sounds as if the engineers they send out are on a commission.

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  • Phil hurst
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    Many thanks - that’s really helpful. Got some ammunition now.

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  • baldelectrician
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    They are responsible for their supply cable.
    Their cable is giving a high Ze (should be 0.8 ohms or less on a TN-S supply or 0.35 or less on a TN-C-S supply)

    Just went back to the one today where Scottish Power energy networks dug up the back garden, driveway and found the cable joint, replaced new joint with a new one and installed a spike (still TN-S inside).
    All at zero cost to the client.

    See this pdf from the IET (the people who publish the wiring regualtions)
    https://electrical.theiet.org/media/...s-answered.pdf


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  • Neelix
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    Originally posted by Phil hurst View Post
    The ZE is 12.7 but I’m not an electrician so not sure what these figures mean. I’m just trying to make sure I have a choice in how to remedy this and, legally should pay
    I would say its up to the DNO to fix .

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  • Phil hurst
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    The ZE is 12.7 but I’m not an electrician so not sure what these figures mean. I’m just trying to make sure I have a choice in how to remedy this and, legally should pay

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