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    Electrical Wiring Query

    If an appliance has been wired in a wholly unsuitable manner that has been deemed "unsafe", thus making it a potential safety hazard, what particular regulations would be applicable? There appears to be some overlap here, such as the General Product Safety Regs, Electrical Equipment Safety Regs, and the Consumer Protection Act to name a few.

    #2
    Who has decided it’s unsafe?

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      #3
      What appliance?

      There is no regulation (nor should there be one) telling me that I cannot wire up a 3 pin plug with a blind ending cord in my own home, and sticking the bare wires into a glass of water --- so long as I don't place anyone else (or their property) at risk - which has its own legislation.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Neelix View Post
        Who has decided it’s unsafe?
        I have it in writing from authorities on electrical safety. They have stated that it showed a total lack of regard for tenant safety. We have been told overload was inevitable and could have easily started a fire. This appears to be governed by the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations, but I am uncertain if this is for new appliances only.

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          #5
          It is still totally unclear what it is that you are describing. If you want meaningful advice ask a meaningful question with appropriate detail (in all aspects).

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            #6
            Tenants reported this to the local council housing department?

            If so they should have reported it to you first and give usually two weeks to rectify it while allowing access at any given time if they are serious about it.

            Source:


            (1) These Regulations may be cited as the Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020.

            (2) These Regulations come into force on 1st June 2020.

            (3) These Regulations apply in England only to—

            (a)all new specified tenancies from 1st July 2020; and

            (b)all existing specified tenancies from 1st April 2021.

            (EICR) Electrical installation condition reports are now a key part of electrical safety, Landlords have the responsibility to ensure that a tenanted property has an electrical installation that is safe to use by its tenants. The Law around the EICR has now changed and will come into effect in July 2020. There will a legal onus on all landlords to have a electrical installation condition report in place. They will have to be able to provide this to the tenant, managing agent or local authority within 30 days should they ask. The government have also laid down the law that all existing tenancies will require a EICR report by April 2021.

            Electrical equipment should be kept safe, this includes all portable appliances. also known as non white goods. The best thing for this is a portable appliance test. Most electricians can carry this out.

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              #7
              Apologies, the appliance in question is an electric oven. It is rated at 7kw. 1mm cabling was used to wire the appliance. This was fitted to a plug with a 13A fuse which was plugged directly into a wall socket.

              PRS regulations only cover the fixed installation - I am trying to ascertain which regulations cover the provision of an unsafe appliance. The EICR does not cover portable appliances, so it seems to be somewhat of a grey area, given that the wiring may be the issue?

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                #8
                Ah, the well known "authorities on electrical safety".
                Write back to them at their address and ask?
                When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                  #9
                  This would be Electrical Safety First, arguably the authority on electrical safety.

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                    #10
                    7kw!
                    1mm cable!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 1600e View Post
                      7kw!
                      1mm cable!

                      possibly the correct cable, is it actually 1mm or 1.5mm

                      what make and model is the oven?

                      Your opening post is totally misleading

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FindaLot View Post
                        This would be Electrical Safety First, arguably the authority on electrical safety.
                        hum, that I would dispute

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Neelix View Post

                          hum, that I would dispute
                          For what reason?

                          It’s definitely 1mm. The opinions of four different parties have all concurred that it is unsafe. It is the incorrect cable. This has also been confirmed.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FindaLot View Post

                            For what reason?

                            It’s definitely 1mm. The opinions of four different parties have all concurred that it is unsafe. It is the incorrect cable. This has also been confirmed.
                            make and model of oven?

                            or is your goal to get dubious advice off the internet to try and bash your LL over the head with

                            and is this a moulded plug?

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                              #15
                              It’s not a moulded plug, no.

                              I do not require any further advice on the technicalities of the wiring. The information I have been provided by by trusted parties is satisfactory.

                              What I am trying to ascertain is the regulations that would be applicable in this instance. Do Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 2016 only cover appliances supplied as new?

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