How to check a fire door?

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    How to check a fire door?

    I have a leasehold flat in a purpose built block of 34 flats. A FRA was done in 2017 and remedial work was carried out at great expense to all.
    New managing agent appointed this year who arranged for another FRA to be done.
    It would appear that they could not gain access to most flats and the report produced said that they had done a sample door check and found it to be FD30 spec.
    The FRA suggested that all doors needed to be checked asap.
    Now given that the block is 28 years old, and all doors have intumescent strips, peko closers, and a Central Fire alarm system is in place, I find it hard to believe that the entrance to flat doors do not themselves conform to FD30 standard.
    But the company that has just done the door survey are saying that all doors need changing to FD30s.
    Is there any way that I can check that my actual door is an FD30 door?
    I appreciate and know that the hinges are not up to the current requirment but that is an easy and cheap job to fix.
    All fire strips are perfect as is the closing of the door fully when let go.
    I am getting the feeling of a rip off here.
    I was not there when they checked my door, but the comment I have received is that the door is hollow and therefore not up to spec.??

    #2
    Is there definitely no stamp anywhere on the door? Have you checked top and bottom?
    Sounds like a bit of a scam really, I have an FD30 door that is semi hollow. I guess you need the previous FRA or the schedule of works that was commissioned

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      #3
      Given Grenfell I'd believe any failure in implementing what's required.

      Drive past in every few weeks (maybe not with lockdown), a stain upon the nation.
      I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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        #4
        a FD30 is not quite the same as FD30s.

        The doors may well be the FD30 but not FD30s.

        The additional "s" identifies that the door is not merely fireproof for 30 minutes but also smoke resistant.

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          #5
          Companies that do fire door checks only carry out a compliance with current standards checks. They are a nightmare, the training is carried out by the fire door trade association. Now who’s interests do you think they are looking after.

          Take a look at page 100 of the the purpose built flats guide. FD30 doors are fine in some circumstances.

          I would changes the perko to a BS EN 1155 closer.

          One question why do you have a fire alarm in a purpose built block of flats? What did the assessor say about that. I assume you have a stay-put strategy.

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            #6
            Exactly so. regarding Fire alarm and stay put policy. The 34 flats are in 3 blocks, each with front and rear entrance. Ground floor, 1st floor and 2nd floors only. No lifts. The blocks are on the face of it one large bock but in fact the separate blocks are independent there being brick walls up into the roof space between each block. There was a central alarm system fitted from new, 28 years ago. It is a simple alarm with sensors or each floor of each block, so if it detects smoke in any other floors of any of the blocks, alarms sound i all 3 blocks. Now to me this seemed OK until a FRA done in 2017, came out and said that the blocks have a stay put policy..........my reaction to that was, then why have a fire alarm system? And if an alarm goes off you are not going to tell me that people on the ground floor will not just jump out of their window, and or just walk out, as the entrance doors are no more than 8 mtrs from any flat, similarly on the first floor. (well not jump out of window).
            The FRA agreed that an alarm system is not needed, so I asked the freeholder if it could be decommissioned, not removed by just disconnected from the mains or whatever was needed such that we were not being asked to pay for service/maintenance. and weekly testing, as this cost had appeared from no where and costing over £3000 pa !!!!
            I could not get agreement from the freeholder, and now we have a new service managing agent looking after the blocks who have had another FRA done, which again mentions the Alarm system not being necessary, but I am now told its a low priority to remove it, needs Freeholder approval and therefore we continue to pay for something we apparently do not need, but now we all need to have a change of doors, and I hate to think what they will want to do that..in the meantime the gardens surrounding the blocks, in a very central prominent art of town and are a disgrace, as we dont have the money to get them weeded.
            I accept that my door hinges and Perko closer will need changing, but how many more updates to legislation can be tolerated in the future.

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