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    Dating of gas certificates

    We all know of the nightmare both tenants hand landlords have scheduling gas engineers for servicing (now more than ever).

    I thought it was made somewhat easier by the MOT style dating allowed by parliament in 2018 - or at least I thought allowed - where certificate end-date is carried forward to the end of the last certificate + 1 year if done with x number of weeks.

    However engineer today refused to so do. So I started reading and could not figure out whether the law had in fact been drafted, and not passed by parliament. Is this the law?
    If not it is yet another example of parliament failing to act to ease the lives of tenants and landlords (and to save tenants wasting more money).

    Here https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l56.htm

    and when they say "retain the date" does this mean something the engineer is supposed to do on the certificate (which would make sense).


    #2
    Mine is being done this Monday which is about a week and a half before the current certificate expires, the company doing the check have told me the expiry on the new certificate will be dated +1 year from the expiry of the current certificate (because I asked the question when booking the appointment).
    There is no tenants in the property at the moment so I will be there to remind the engineer to date it correctly but i do wonder what will happen in future when tenants deal with the engineer without me there to remind the engineer and show him the current certificate expiry date, i suspect it will just get dated a year on from the date they issue the certificate.

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      #3
      I understand and agree with what you are saying. But this is not really about tenant safety, it is about housing lawyers and councils abusing the well-intentioned spirit of the law for their own purposes.

      It comes down to the landlord to prove it if it comes on top (God help them!).

      By coincidence, I've received 3 certificates today, written on 3 different forms, in 3 different areas of the country, carried out by 3 different reputable gas safe qualified engineers, the dates as follows;

      1. NEXT GAS SAFETY CHECK DUE WITHIN 12 MONTHS
      2. ATTENTION Next safety check due 7/7/21
      3. ATTENTION Next gas safety check must be completed by 8/9/20 *


      *Thanks for bringing this up, I wouldn't have bothered checking it otherwise.

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        #4
        It's a statutory instrutment, so didn't need to be passed by parliament.
        These Regulations may be cited as the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) (Amendment) Regulations 2018 and come into force on 6th April 2018.
        Where a safety check of an appliance or a flue made in accordance with regulation 36(3)(a) or (b) is or was completed within the period of 2 months ending with the deadline date, that check is to be treated for the purposes of regulation 36(3)(a) and (b) as having been made on the deadline date.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ted.E.Bear View Post
          It's a statutory instrutment, so didn't need to be passed by parliament.
          Many thanks. If that is all they did, they did not finish the job. With vehicle MOTs it is clear that the garage/system can give the appropriate date.

          Are gas engineers even allowed to write the next test date on the form according to the legislation?
          "Treated for the purposes" means nothing if the form says something different.

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            #6
            Thought this was for housing associations, not individual landlords.

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              #7
              There is a programmer (RWB 1007) which beeps and lets the tenant know when the heating needs serviced.
              It also stops the timer on the heating but lets the tenant press a one hour boost button to bring the heating on.

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                #8
                wrong thread maybe baldelectrician ?

                Here's the legislation change in writing: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...ulation/6/made

                Having done this with a few properties now, I'm wondering about clause 3a as that seems to imply you can only do this once. If it means once per certificate, that seems redundant to me. Anyone clarify exactly?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fire Risk Assessor View Post
                  Thought this was for housing associations, not individual landlords.
                  the legislation I've linked to specifically comes after the heading Duties of Landlords

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by tatemono View Post
                    wrong thread maybe baldelectrician ?

                    Here's the legislation change in writing: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...ulation/6/made

                    Having done this with a few properties now, I'm wondering about clause 3a as that seems to imply you can only do this once. If it means once per certificate, that seems redundant to me. Anyone clarify exactly?
                    I mentioned it as a side issue

                    Many landlords have problems with tenants letting gas engineers in to service boilers.

                    This programmer stops the timer working and only allows the heating via a boost facility (the tenant still has heating), this makes it easier for landlords to have the heating serviced as tenants are 'encouraged' to have the service done.

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                      #11
                      Ah, I see. But does this not interfere with "quiet enjoyment" by effectively making an essential service (heating) less efficient for the tenant? Sounds like retribution. Forcing a tenant to get out of bed to turn on the heating on a freezing winter night so that their children can sleep isn't something I'd want to test in court... although I do get that they should just let the engineer have access in the first place.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by tatemono View Post
                        Ah, I see. But does this not interfere with "quiet enjoyment" by effectively making an essential service (heating) less efficient for the tenant? Sounds like retribution. Forcing a tenant to get out of bed to turn on the heating on a freezing winter night so that their children can sleep isn't something I'd want to test in court... although I do get that they should just let the engineer have access in the first place.
                        GHA (Glasgow Housing Assoc) use these.
                        The heating is still as efficient an works

                        The programmer gives a series of warnings for a few weeks prior to the thing going in to limited mode- I think it can be set to warn up to 40 days ahead.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tatemono View Post
                          Having done this with a few properties now, I'm wondering about clause 3a as that seems to imply you can only do this once. If it means once per certificate, that seems redundant to me. Anyone clarify exactly?
                          That's referring to paragraph 2, which allows you to have the check done up to two months late, but only if there is another appliance in the same premises which has a different date and you want to do them on the same date in future.


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                            #14
                            thanks for that.

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                              #15
                              I've managed to have mine dated based on the expiry of the previous one (like an mot) however the issuing system meant I had to have one on the date of the test and then a second cert on the actual expiry of the previous cert (something to do with the system not being able to forward date certs)

                              I just quoted the HSE publications to get them to do this.

                              All the best Stew.

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