Do I have to pay my Tenants electric bill as it's higher than EPC?

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    Do I have to pay my Tenants electric bill as it's higher than EPC?

    I would really appreciate clarity regarding electric bills.
    Our letting agent has contacted us to say the tenants have had a large bill and think we should contribute!

    "Unfortunately as it stated on the EPC that there was night and cheap rate electricity, the tenants should not be held liable for all of the cost of the electricity bill."
    The letting agents also have an estate agents who sold the property to us and then let it through their agent. We rewired the property and put in new heaters. The EPC they refer to must come from the selling details as the property was let by them before it was even advertised.

    I would be grateful for any help, thanks.

    #2
    Presumably there is night and cheap rate electricity available, so what's the issue?

    Did you remove the storage heaters?
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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      #3
      Asuming the A.S.T. states tenants pay the electric bill, they pay it, not you.

      An EPC inspector does not decide who pays the electric bill, the landlord decides.

      The property has elecrtic.
      If the tenants switch off the electric, there will be no electric bill ! appart from the standing charge.
      If tenants switch on the electric, then they are the ones using it, therefore they pay.

      They have the option not to use electic, or use as they wish.

      If there are storage heaters, I assume you told them how to get the most economic use of them.
      Recharge only at night, etc.

      I repeat, An EPC inspector does not decide who pays the electric bill, the landlord decides.
      ( included int rent, or not included in rent )

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        #4
        EPC's are like the MPG statements from car manufacturers. You could, if you were ultra efficient and never had an appliance going for a second hotter or longer than absolutely needed, just about match the operating costs. However cars never run to quoted mpg expectations, package holidays never work out as cheap as the 'great deals' page and EPC's never account for non-essential costs such as boiling a kettle and simply enjoying life in your home.
        A few years ago I briefly rented a house with night/day meter installed as well as storage heaters (hate them). When we got our first bill I nearly died. Turns out that the night meter was connected to the normal ring whilst the storage heaters were connected to the high rate meter. Might be worth checking that out before finalising your answer.
        I certainly wouldn't be offering to pay their bill.
        I may be a housing professional but my views, thoughts, opinions, advice, criticisms or otherwise on this board are mine and are not representative of my company, colleagues, managers. I am here as an independent human being who simply wants to learn new stuff, share ideas and interact with like minded people.

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          #5
          Sorry but this seems a bit nuts, if my tenants started suggesting I pay their utility bills for them (if it didnt state otherwise on the tenancy agreement) I would just laugh. I take it the letting agent put them straight? if not why not??

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            #6
            Assume you took out storage radiators & put ordinary leccy heaters in on normal day rate. Brilliant.

            Have you ever lived with storage radiators?

            If so the tenants probably have a case for being misled:.

            At least 2 choices...
            I) send then a £5 Tesco voucher & s21 or....
            ii.). agree to early surrender, make payment as gesture of goodwill & get a new EPC.

            Probably change agent: you two ain't going to be happy going forward
            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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              #7
              Originally posted by Nohassle2 View Post
              I would really appreciate clarity regarding electric bills.
              Our letting agent has contacted us to say the tenants have had a large bill and think we should contribute!

              "Unfortunately as it stated on the EPC that there was night and cheap rate electricity, the tenants should not be held liable for all of the cost of the electricity bill." ( This is from the Letting Agent.

              The letting agents also have an estate agents who sold the property to us and then let it through their agent. We rewired the property and put in new heaters. The EPC they refer to must come from the selling details as the property was let by them before it was even advertised.

              I would be grateful for any help, thanks.

              Thank you for responses so far. Yes we removed the old electric storage heaters and put in new ( non storage) electric ones.

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                #8
                No, The letting Agent has e-mailed suggesting we pay the difference between what they thought they would get 8p rate and 27p rate.

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                  #9
                  Yes, the storage heaters were very old and we took then out.

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                    #10
                    The Letting agents words are in quotation marks, they think we should pay the difference!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nohassle2 View Post
                      Thank you for responses so far. Yes we removed the old electric storage heaters and put in new ( non storage) electric ones.
                      Bad move, you have potentially reduced the appeal of the property to a large proportion of renters.

                      Considering that storage heaters can cost £300 upwards each, did you keep them or throw them out?
                      Any advice I give is my opinion and experience, I am as you also learning.

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                        #12
                        With respect, daft. Get new storage radiators back in & remove most of the ordinary leccy heaters.
                        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                          #13
                          Threw out- they were pretty old.

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                            #14
                            I welcome your more experienced viewpoint. I am obviously still green. Do you think we will have responsibility for any of the bill though?

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                              #15
                              Change utilities supplier

                              Originally posted by Nohassle2
                              I welcome your more experienced viewpoint. I am obviously still green. Do you think we will have responsibility for any of the bill though?
                              Advise the tenants to try and find a cheaper deal with another utilities supplier

                              http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/uti...as-electricity

                              http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/l...ergy-suppliers
                              Fed up with nitpickers and rivet counters...

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