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    bad / Good Tenant Database

    I was thinking , why has no one ever produced a online database of bad/good tenants? I guess the case for liable is one reason, but I saw this for bad companies http://www.blagger.com and wondered what would be the implications of something similar for the rental market?

    #2
    I think you would be in danger of being sued for libel. Every word written could be subject to legal analysis. It would have to be anonymous posting and then, who would believe it. Lovely idea though.

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      #3
      They seem to have got round it in the terms and conditions of use, also, I suppose where the server is hosted?

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        #4
        Hmmm. If you basically stated fact and not "OMFGWTF what a MORON this guy was, he really is thick, and robbed me blind, bloody criminal", then you would be ok....very very interesting idea! Not entirely sure if it would take off though....would require an awfully high percentage of landlords to participate for it to be worthwhile really.
        Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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          #5
          This would be an excellent idea...... but what about Data Protection Act? I know Lets direct had some sort of database going but it seems to have vanished from their site. I think my comments on another thread are applicable here too, if Landlords applied CCJs to bad tenants this would also help future Landlords... CCJs do follow you, they appear on experian etc... Credit I had at a previous address was logged on my credit file when I applied for my file a few years ago, I even picked up a few of the previous tenants credit history too.. all it took was a short letter to Experian and they cleared his rubbish off my file!

          I say YES to a database but we must take into consideration the laws regarding Data Protection and libel/slander etc!
          GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING: I am a woman and am therefore prone to episodes of PMT... if you don't like what I have to say you can jolly well put it in your pipe and SMOKE IT!!

          Oh and on a serious note... I am NOT a Legal person and therefore anything I post could be complete and utter drivel... but its what I have learned in the University called Life!

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            #6
            Data protection would not be an issue here i do not believe. HAving thought more about it, I think an ideal way of doing it would be to submit:

            Name of tenant
            Area of rental(NOT address)
            Landlords name and address(if wanted to leave address)

            Then, a rating system. such as how many out of ten for payment of rent, for noise, for any problems etc(obviously these areas would need refining :P). This prevents the possibility of any libelous comments, as "ratings" are quite obviously based upon opinion.

            I am in the process of building up a small portfolio of websites and I would be interested in developing this idea further for my next site. That is, if dazalock would have no objections...I do not want to steal other people's ideas!
            Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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              #7
              Data protection would not be an issue here i do not believe.

              This has been brought up before and of course Data Protection applies!!!
              You are talking about personal information!

              Look at the link below:

              Data Commissioner
              Whilst I hope you find the contents of this posting interesting and informative, the contents are without prejudice or liability and are for general information purposes only

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                #8
                In what way are you talking about personal information? You are not giving addresses, credit details or the like. You would be giving an opinion of how easily various areas of a tenancy ran.
                Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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                  #9
                  Actually having read your link, the DPA is more wide ranging than I anticipated.

                  - What difference is there between what is proposed here, and a journo stating an opinion on a celebrity or similar in a paper? Or on an online site?

                  - Could you not merely state that the ratings are opinions of how the TENANCY went?
                  Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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                    #10
                    Having read the FAQ about websites and the DPA, it is stated that if the risk if negligable, so that the data is not sensitive and the information would not result in the person being contactable, it would most likely not breach the DPA. I think this would be the case with this site.
                    Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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                      #11
                      Apparently it's already being done

                      FCC Paragon - a referencing agency for Agents and Landlords - have done this. To quote from their web site........ 'Our Tenants’ Database contains hundreds of thousands of Tenant records, collated from details provided by Letting Agent's, Landlords and our own claims records. Each new application is automatically searched against our database.Should we record a defaulting Tenant we will update our database accordingly.'

                      This isn't a plug for the company as we haven't used them ourselves.

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                        #12
                        I think that database is more for the agent then the private LL.

                        I was thinking more along the lines of a free open source database for everyone, where LL can post problems and there is opportunity for tenants to respond.

                        Mr Shed, yes a rating system would work I guess, provided there was a contact to the poster to get either further information or for the site admin to verify details is a complaint is recieved, and no, I have no problem if you want to move with this as a project, I think it would be good for the community.

                        PM me and maybe we can start to work on something?

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                          #13
                          Yes well I am definitely interested in working on this. Will need a week or two to clear what ive got on at the minute, but expect a PM from me!

                          Think ill email the data protection ppl and see what they say. My only concern would be that the limitations of what we can make available publicly may make the idea untenable, as if you cannot identify a prospective tenant due to lack of things to compare, it might cause difficulties.
                          Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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                            #14
                            I've been thinking on these lines for a while but I see another problem. Why restrict it to bad tenants, from reading this forum, there are bad landlords and bad agents so why not include them? Here's the problem though, I've just had to evict a tenant for the first time, I could give chapter and verse why but when I last spoke to her, she gave me a list of reasons for her actions which, although I could demonstrate they were false, she believed them. Likewise, I used to use a particular agent who was so bad, I took the business off her - and was thanked by my tenants for doing so - but my brother in law has had nothing but good service from her.
                            There are always two sides to an argument and a database such as this would need to allow right of reply.

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                              #15
                              I had thought about the issue of a "bad landlord/agent" 1 as well. I do not see a problem with the right of reply, except that presumably a landlord isnt going to advertise to a previous tenant that they have rated them as tenants online! But obviously if a tenant came across it they should have right of reply. In fact I think if a tenant asked, they should probably have the right to ask to have it removed also.
                              Any posts by myself are my opinion ONLY. They should never be taken as correct or factual without confirmation from a legal professional. All information is given without prejudice or liability.

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