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  • DPT57
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    I would still change the locks, although it may not keep her from your door next time she is drunk and has a fight with her boyfriend. Nice people can get into desperate scrapes

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    jta,

    Thanks for all your help, luckily she turned out to be ok and moved out today (locks not been changed, but hopefully she wont be back), we left amicably, I gave her a lift to the bus station and she seemed to be happy with whatever remainder of the deposit I gave her (minus a weeks rent and guess of £50 for the alcohol she'd drank). I think she was jsut a nice person going through a hard time.

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  • jta
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    Originally posted by cluelessoncanvey View Post
    Interesting advice on the Police. Also interesting you tell me not to pack her belongings, I am guessing this is incase she then claims damages? I know when I was renting the Police then told me they coudl change my locks and throw my stuff out in the street and there's nothing I could do about it (this was about 9 years ago).
    The police have no business getting involved unless there is a possibility of a breach of the peace.
    However people today are much more litigious, a complaint that something has gone missing could lead to theft charges which you would have to defend.


    Originally posted by cluelessoncanvey View Post
    I am hoping as I am off next week that she is actually willing to move out and not just saying it, as I was going to volunteer to help her pack and drive her to her place so that their is no excuses. At the moment we are getting on fine, she says I am the best bloke she has met in years and blurted out 'i love you' (she had been drinking!) yeah she came onto me the other night. Let's just hope it doesn't go the other way into hate!
    Be careful, 'A woman spurned..............' and all that.

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    jta,

    Thankk you. I gave her til the end of the month originally so as far as I'm concerned that still stands. the first weke of next month I plan to chuck her out if she is still there. It's very confusing on the web with mixed messages, but remember was recommended to give 28 days notice, beginning of next month will be that. Hence choosing then.

    Interesting advice on the Police. Also interesting you tell me not to pack her belongings, I am guessing this is incase she then claims damages? I know when I was renting the Police then told me they coudl change my locks and throw my stuff out in the street and there's nothing I could do about it (this was about 9 years ago).

    I am hoping as I am off next week that she is actually willing to move out and not just saying it, as I was going to volunteer to help her pack and drive her to her place so that their is no excuses. At the moment we are getting on fine, she says I am the best bloke she has met in years and blurted out 'i love you' (she had been drinking!) yeah she came onto me the other night. Let's jsut hope it doesn't go the other way into hate!

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  • mariner
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    She is a lodger, so buy a door chain and fit when she goes out, so cannot re-enter, unless you let her in.
    Police won't get involved unless someone fears/reports a Breach of the Peace.
    Prob best if you do this on Sat/Sun.

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  • jta
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    If the period of notice you gave her has expired then change the locks as soon as she is out of the house, do not interfere with her belongings.

    Do not allow her back into the house under any circumstances, not even to pack her stuff.

    Ask her to bring a friend with her to do the packing and carting away. You watch to make sure none of your stuff goes in the black bags.

    I'm afraid you have to be firm. We have had some reports from live in landlords that police have been called and ordered them to allow the lodger back into the house, this is beyond the remit of the police and you have every right to end her tenancy.

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    So update. Tuesday I sent her a text apologising for sending by text but was unable to get in contact with her. IN the text I informed her I wanted the rent money in full by the end of the week else I would like her to move out asap, by the end of the month at the latest.

    I got home that night and she was there with her footup. She had an ambulance crew around looking at her swollen ankle, I immediately thought is it self inflicted and she's trying to sue me? So took notes/listened surreptitiously. It may jsut be a coincidence of timing, but seems to be some coincidence. When they left (she refused to go to the hospital for an x-ray, which is what they wanted) seems she had broken her ankle a year ago so it is weak, she said that she had to move out because her daughter has mental issues and tried to commit suicide, she apologised for drinking the house out of alcohol, and said she had a breakdown herself the weekend. We agreed that she would move out the next night (which was last night), I said about her ankle, she said don't worry I'm tough, I've got a high pain threshold I can handle it, she was getting her ex (where she obviously stays a lot, as she is away quite often) to pick her up around 7.30pm, I agreed to get home then with the remainder of her deposit minus a weeks rent and alochol costs.

    I came home last night, she hadn't packed all her things, I had my house warming saturday and had loads of left over booze, half of it was gone and she was asleep on the sofa in front of the telly with the telly on. I proceeded to load all of the alcohol left into my car and drove it around a friends so at least today there's nothing for her to drink. She has already told me she's been sacked from her job and got no money.

    I am a bit confused of whether she is a tenant or lodger, as you get conflicting advice on this one. She lives in my spare room but has full use of the house.

    Popped to the cop shop as from what I see have three choices once her time is up if she is still there, a) get locks changed and throw her stuff out b) locks changed have her stuff in the hallway ready to give to her when she turns up or c) locks changed and allow her to collect her stuff under police supervision. The Police told me its a 'breach of the peace' and they'll come but they can't say when, so very hard to co-ordinate with a locksmith, although one website said this is the procedure you should follow.

    Then there's the fact she is unemployed so knowing when or if she'll be out of the house to get the locks changed, could do them with her in, but that may not go down well! I suppose that is what is likely to happen if I go for option c. Let's jsut hope she goes in the next couple of days so there's no call for all this. But my colleagues are worried she is trying it on and seeing how far she can push me.

    A 'friend of a friend' tells me her ex abused her and that's why she moved out. However as I mentioned earlier she has regularly been away for a night or so at a time (perhaps she jsut came home if he was getting dodgy). But its only gossip but wonder whether I should give her the info of a refuge if I can get it, don't know if that woudl go down badly or not though.

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    Thank you.

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  • jpkeates
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    It doesn't matter, you serve notices, you can't make someone receive, read or act on them.

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    Er I can put it under her door but if she's not coming home she is not receiving it. Or does this fact not matter?

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  • jpkeates
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    Don't assume anything you said at the "interview" will cover you.
    You need to serve notice - put something in writing under her door?

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  • cluelessoncanvey
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    Thanks so it sounds like you are better off charging rent weekly then you can ask them to leave with two weeks as opposed to a month if they haven't paid?

    Anyway she hasn't been back to the flat since thursday when the rent was due, and her phone is switched off - so I have no way to get in touch with her to issue notice, will try sending a text and see if it gets through. She was told at the interview a month ago jsut before she moved in that if you don't pay you have to leave within the month. Does that cover me, I will assume it does. Her stuff is still all here so she obviously is planning on coming back at some stage, perhaps when she has the money? Or perhaps she is trying out living with her fella and is not sure whether she wants to stay yet or not?

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  • jpkeates
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    Apparently - it threw me a bit.

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  • jjlandlord
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    If it's an excluded tenancy, that's correct.
    If it's an excluded licence it just has to be "reasonable".
    Is there such a difference?

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  • jpkeates
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    If it's an excluded tenancy, that's correct.
    If it's an excluded licence it just has to be "reasonable".

    Maybe a month is simply more prudent in this case.
    Forget my two week suggestion.

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