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    Inventory - Cleaning and deposit return

    Could anyone advise what happens if there is a discrepancy between the professional check in and check out inventories and a property needs cleaning. The bathroom was not cleaned satisfactorily and due to insufficient time between tenancies I had to do the cleaning myself. How do I claim for my own time and cleaning (a half day including travel) from the deposit as I have no invoice to show?

    #2
    Simple answer - you can't.
    Was any deposit taken & duly protected?
    What do the 2 prof inventories say about standard of cleaning?
    LL & T opinions of cleanliness are subjective and can vary sig.

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      #3
      You can't claim for your own time - next time make sure there is a sufficient gap to allow for a dirty property to be cleaned. It is rare for a tenant to leave a property in such good condition that no work is needed.



      Freedom at the point of zero............

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        #4
        You can claim for your travel, done exclusively for this, at 45p per mile.

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          #5
          Thank you. Yes the deposit is being held in an authorised scheme.
          The inventory highlighted the dirty areas particularly in the shower. Limescale I generally accept as something I have to deal with. The inventory was generally very picky, most of which I've accepted as the property generally looks ok.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Hippogriff View Post
            You can claim for your travel, done exclusively for this, at 45p per mile.
            Where does it say that, please?

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              #7
              Where does what say that?

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                #8
                45p is standard business mileage upto 10k miles per year.

                http://www.sayersb.co.uk/tax%20rates/mileage.html
                "I'm afraid I didn't do enough background checks apart from checking her identity on Facebook" - ANON

                What I say is based on my own experience and research - Please don't take as gospel without first checking the gospel yourself.

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                  #9
                  Where does it say that a landlord who, in connection with restoring a property to the condition the tenancy agreement requires it to be left, travels from his home to a property he has rented out can claim travelling expenses at 45p per mile or indeed at any other rate?

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                    #10
                    Ah, Carl Bayley's book told me that... it doesn't differentiate on the reason behind visiting the property - just that the travel must be exclusively for the 'business', you can't intermingle a trip to the supermarket in the same journey. So, viewings, inspections, re-signing documents, repairs, cleaning they'd all come under the same umbrella and no-one would ever care, so just claim all relevant travel to the property and maintain a log of journeys and put them onto your self-assessment in the "other allowable expenses" section, job done.

                    Have you written a book that says something different?

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                      #11
                      Just did a search for Carl Bayley and see that "Carl is the author of a series of ‘Plain English’ tax guides designed for the layman and the non-specialist". What goes for tax does not necessarily go when claiming against the deposit.

                      How far the landlord lives from a property he lets out has to be the landlord's problem and not the tenant's. Where

                      (i) A lets to B and has a claim against B for a failure to do X and A lives nearby

                      and

                      (ii) C lets to D and has a claim against D for a failure to do X and C does not live nearby

                      then

                      the damages payable in each case have to be the same. If there were a principle that the landlord can charge travelling expenses it would have to apply to all cases and tenants of properties in Penzance who had landlords living in Durham would face bills for travelling expenses approaching 400 pounds.

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                        #12
                        Sorry for the confusion. I mean't it was a tax deductible, not a deposit deductible.
                        "I'm afraid I didn't do enough background checks apart from checking her identity on Facebook" - ANON

                        What I say is based on my own experience and research - Please don't take as gospel without first checking the gospel yourself.

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                          #13
                          As did I. Ouch. Focused on allowable expenses for tax.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jicms View Post
                            Could anyone advise what happens if there is a discrepancy between the professional check in and check out inventories and a property needs cleaning. The bathroom was not cleaned satisfactorily and due to insufficient time between tenancies I had to do the cleaning myself. How do I claim for my own time and cleaning (a half day including travel) from the deposit as I have no invoice to show?
                            What does your tenancy agreement say about cleaning?

                            You can only claim from the deposit things that the tenant agrees (or an arbitration service determine) - so that's a good start point.
                            Unless the tenancy agreement says differently, you can normally only deduct from a deposit outstanding rent and compensation for the reduction in value of your property beyond fair wear and tear.

                            So you can't automatically claim for the cost of cleaning - after a tenancy, you would probably expect fair wear and tear to require some cleaning. So what the tenancy agreement says is important.
                            If you're claiming compensation for a drop in value of your property, you don't have to actually do any work to fix it at all; if you do pay someone to fix it, that gives a reasonable guide to what the value of the refurb was, but it's not definitive.

                            The process should be, contact the tenant to highlight the discrepancy and agree the cost of rectification.
                            If the tenant agrees, confirm the deduction to the deposit protection company and return the residual deposit to the tenant and get the funds from the protection company.
                            If the tenant doesn't agree, use the deposit protection company's arbitration service to agree a value.
                            When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                            Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                              #15
                              The Tenant has to leave the property in a similar condition to moving in/ check in inventory less normal wear and tear. If it needs cleaning to bring it back to its original condition then you are within your rights to clean the property and bill/deduct the costs as long as they are reasonable. If T disagrees then they have the option of ADR which will support your claim mainly because you have a third party clearly documenting the check in and check out.

                              Ask me how I know this.

                              Goss
                              Long suffering Landlord.

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