Central Heating??

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Central Heating??

    Citizens advice say 'your landlord must provide the services which are reasonably required by you, these services include the supply of gas, electricity and water'
    Is there a legal obligation to provide central heating in a property or some sort of heating??
    Ambition is Critical

    I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

  • #2
    If nothing is there then no! I moved into a flat 2 years ago that had NO heating at all!! I was "luck" enough to be eligible for storage heaters to be installed with a warm front grant. If your tenant hs no heating and your tenant is eligible for one of these schemes then good luck! .. get ready for months of no action then getting fobbed off with lies etc!

    On the other hand having heating does add value to the property!
    GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING: I am a woman and am therefore prone to episodes of PMT... if you don't like what I have to say you can jolly well put it in your pipe and SMOKE IT!!

    Oh and on a serious note... I am NOT a Legal person and therefore anything I post could be complete and utter drivel... but its what I have learned in the University called Life!

    Comment


    • #3
      thanks, I shall take your advice and put some in I think. It's a new property (to us, not NEW!) And i'd really prefer to keep tenants happy. It's a small investment for peace of mind. PLus as you say it will add to the sale price when we eventually sell it.
      Thanks for the advice.
      Ambition is Critical

      I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

      Comment


      • #4
        The installation of central heating, when it had Non before is an enhancement and chargeable to capital, the ongoing maintenance will be revenue. Regards Peter

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by J4L View Post
          Is there a legal obligation to provide central heating in a property or some sort of heating??
          There didn't used to be, but the rules changed in April 2006.

          A new system of assessment called HHSRS came in, and is much more nebulous as far as landlords obligations are concerned.

          If your local council visit and decide that heating is inadequate (non-existant?) you can be required to remedy it.

          Round our way the council have decided that the minimum modern standard for all properties is to have gas central heating. Where this is not available they will accept oil or LPG central heating, or electric storage heaters. On demand electric heaters are only acceptable in minor rooms (bedrooms/bathrooms etc) but these must be fixed wall/ceiling mounted appliances. Portable plug-in ones are banned.

          You'd best enquire with your local authority.
          On some things I am very knowledgeable, on other things I am stupid. Trouble is, sometimes I discover that the former is the latter or vice versa, and I don't know this until later - maybe even much later. Because of the number of posts I have done, I am now a Senior Member. However, read anything I write with the above in mind.

          Comment


          • #6
            Thanks ESIO,
            Your points are very interesting and i will look into this further. As I stated ealier I think I will install GCH anyways just to be sure. I'm looking to be viewed as a fair and honest LL so as to improve the reputation locally.
            Thanks Again.
            Ambition is Critical

            I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

            Comment


            • #7
              Also see s.11 of LTA 1985. This does not actually require central heating but does state that L is responsible for supply installations (inc. heating).
              JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
              1. Public advice is believed accurate, but I accept no legal responsibility except to direct-paying private clients.
              2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
              3. For paid advice about conveyancing/leaseholds/L&T, contact me* and become a private client.
              4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
                Also see s.11 of LTA 1985. This does not actually require central heating but does state that L is responsible for supply installations (inc. heating).
                Could you expand on this for me please Jeffrey as I can't find anything like that in the aforementioned Act.
                Ambition is Critical

                I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by J4L View Post
                  Could you expand on this for me please Jeffrey as I can't find anything like that in the aforementioned Act.
                  [I must be a different Jeffrey from the one whom you've just slagged off]

                  Section 11 of LTA 1985 imposes repairing obligations for L on a short lease. Amongst them are:
                  s.11(1)(a)- keeping house's structure in repair.
                  s.11(1)(b)- keeping "in repair and proper working order the installations...for the supply of water, gas, and electricity and for sanitation...".
                  s.11(1)(c)- keeping "in repair and proper working order the installations...for space heating and heating water."
                  JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
                  1. Public advice is believed accurate, but I accept no legal responsibility except to direct-paying private clients.
                  2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
                  3. For paid advice about conveyancing/leaseholds/L&T, contact me* and become a private client.
                  4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
                    [I must be a different Jeffrey from the one whom you've just slagged off]

                    Section 11 of LTA 1985 imposes repairing obligations for L on a short lease. Amongst them are:
                    s.11(1)(a)- keeping house's structure in repair.
                    s.11(1)(b)- keeping "in repair and proper working order the installations...for the supply of water, gas, and electricity and for sanitation...".
                    s.11(1)(c)- keeping "in repair and proper working order the installations...for space heating and heating water."
                    (No Jeffrey you are the same one, apologies if you are offended but I just felt the other post was very childlike!)

                    Anyway, thanks for your response. What the law states though is that 'should' I provide space heaters then I am responsible for their upkeep and the such, it doesn't actually say that I have to 'provide' them does it?? Or am I mis reading this?
                    Ambition is Critical

                    I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      1. Apology accepted.
                      2. LTA 1985 does not stipulate that L has to install the stuff. Are you saying that there aren't any installations there at all? Various cases are reported about the section's effect- I don't have access to them, but try the Web?
                      3. If local authority require you to install stuff, you then become liable - by s.11 - to keep it in good repair.
                      JEFFREY SHAW, solicitor [and Topic Expert], Nether Edge Law*
                      1. Public advice is believed accurate, but I accept no legal responsibility except to direct-paying private clients.
                      2. Telephone advice: see http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34638.
                      3. For paid advice about conveyancing/leaseholds/L&T, contact me* and become a private client.
                      4. *- Contact info: click on my name (blue-highlight link).

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        No the property has gas, electric and water supplies but no 'actual' central heating. There is a gas fire in the living room but nothing upstairs. I was just really trying to find out if I HAD to install central heating before I let it out.
                        Ambition is Critical

                        I don't profess to be a knowledge in all areas, my advice is based on life experience.

                        Comment

                        Latest Activity

                        Collapse

                        • NTQ during fixed term?
                          vpltd
                          Hi,
                          Can a LL issue a valid NTQ during the six-month fixed term of an AST agreement?
                          (A residential let in England.)
                          VPL.
                          11-08-2017, 14:53 PM
                        • Reply to NTQ during fixed term?
                          jjlandlord
                          You made a claim. You tell us.



                          It was claimed that a tenant may freely leave whenever he pleases once he has received a s.21notice. If that was indeed the case you can imagine the mess with all those precautionary notices....
                          18-08-2017, 12:43 PM
                        • Reply to NTQ during fixed term?
                          Wright76
                          I totally agree, I was just trying to find any justification for claims that a tenant must serve notice in return of a section 21. It could never ever be demanded within the 2 month notice period, and in my opinion I agree it couldn't be demanded thereafter. But JJlandlord is adamant that requirement...
                          18-08-2017, 12:40 PM
                        • Lying tenant
                          mazco
                          We had a tenant in our property. Initial agreement was for 6 months from April 2016 but then went on to SPT.
                          In June he didn't pay his rent due on 15th of the month. Chased him and got excuses. On 10th July got a text from him saying he had moved out and left a key under the mat for us. He reckoned...
                          18-08-2017, 12:03 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          JK0
                          Hmm. If tenant was stupid enough to leave valuable furniture behind, it's JK0's money in my book.

                          (Not that that ever happened. All I get left is broken Ikea tat.)
                          18-08-2017, 12:30 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          jpkeates
                          The deposit doesn't limit what you can try and recover from the tenant.
                          It's simply a convention designed to make a simple claim easier.

                          You can't sell the tenant's goods and use the proceeds to settle their debt without their consent.
                          That's the tenant's money.
                          18-08-2017, 12:27 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          mazco
                          Unfortunately the deposit doesn't come close to what he already owes. Deposit of just over £1100 to cover two months rent at £900 per month, replacement carpet £200, bath replacement needed, disposal of rubbish, clearing of garden. He 'kindly' left us some furniture which I managed to sell for around...
                          18-08-2017, 12:24 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          jpkeates
                          And, of course, this....
                          18-08-2017, 12:22 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          jpkeates
                          There are rules about who is responsible for the council tax. And they relate to residence, not the tenancy.
                          If the tenant is in the fixed term of a tenancy agreement, that means they're liable.
                          If they are in a rolling agreement and move out, you are liable.

                          If the tenancy...
                          18-08-2017, 12:21 PM
                        • Reply to Lying tenant
                          JK0
                          I'd forget about getting utilites to believe you. Just work out a reasonable extra amount to add to deposit request.
                          18-08-2017, 12:18 PM
                        Working...
                        X