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    My handyman has been to the flat to do some repairs. He rang me to say that the tenant is keeping his motorbike in the hallway of the flat. I am not happy about this.

    He asked why is was keeping it in the hallway and the tenant said as we had replaced the back gate with a slatted one (previous gate was not slatted, therefore people could not see in back yard), he believes that this posses as a security risk.
    The new gate is over 6 foot in height and has a padlock on it which the tenant has keys for. The rear yard has 6 foot walls, therefore I doubt that someone would be able to lift a heavy motorbike over it.
    I am inclined to contact the tenant asap, and advise that he should not be keeping the motorbike inside the property.
    Tenants have almost 4 months of tenancy remaining and I am thinking of not renewing and asking them to vacate, as they have caused damage to an electrical socket.
    Would I have to fill slatts in gate, so people cannot see into rear yard, so my tenant can store his bike in the yard?
    Or simply tell tenant to keep the bike in yard?

  • #2
    The tenant can keep a motorbike in the property if he likes, you cannot stop him. So...

    Why not ask him, if the gate is replaced with a sufficiently secure, plain one, will he agree to keep the bike outside? You can point out that this will protect his deposit as a heavy bike is likely to cause damade to the property, and require additional cleaning. You can point out that the damage/cleaning required after a motorbike has been stored inside the property would not be considered fair wear and tear.

    But seeking eviction for damage to one electrical socket (and a motorcycle in the house) does seem a bit extreme!

    If the tenant agrees to keep the bike in the yard if you replace the gate, everyone wins - the relationship is repaired, the property is protected from damage, and the tenant knows you are a reasonable person who accepts they have needs as well and will negotiate on thorny issues. You are saving on the court costs you would incur trying to evict them, so why not stump up for a new gate? (Would a neigbour take the old one of your hands for a small fee?)

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    • #3
      I never said I want to evict them. I said I am thinking of not renewing their tenancy. I would not need to go to court to evict as i would wait for the term to expire and then give them 2 months notice.
      I did visit the property 2 weeks ago and it was not in a good state (he did not have motorbike in hallway, it was outside. I did notice that there were scuff marks on the hallway. Now I know how the scuff marks got there in the first place.

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      • #4
        Tacpot - Should the LL be responsible for the security of the tenant's motorbike though? Surely if tenant chooses to have a bike, they are responsible for making sure it is locked/chained up and the LL should not have to provide a better gate just to achieve this? There are a number of good bike security measures on the market, and tenant should buy something himself.

        I am all for fostering good tenant/LL relationships, but I think this is going a bit too far.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kathdoug View Post
          I never said I want to evict them. I said I am thinking of not renewing their tenancy. I would not need to go to court to evict as i would wait for the term to expire and then give them 2 months notice.
          You fail to understand how the eviction/notice system works. You cannot evict without going to court. If you give them 2 months notice, it is notice that you are seeking possession. If they choose to ignore it (they legally can), you wait the 2 months then apply for court order (another 6-8 weeks if your are luck), then if they still don't budge, you apply for court bailliffs to shift them (maybe another month). Even if the fixed term is over, notice may not get them to leave!

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          • #6
            If the tenant agrees to keep the bike in the yard if you replace the gate, everyone wins - the relationship is repaired, the property is protected from damage.

            I have a good relationship with all of my tenants including the tenant concerned here. A LL should not be held responsible for the security of someones bike. The backgate is 6ft high and has a padlock on it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LesleyAnne View Post
              Should the LL be responsible for the security of the tenant's motorbike though?
              No, but the OP has done something that caused the tenant to change their behaviour. Now that this change has been made, if the OP wants the tenant to change their behaviour again, they need to do something to cause them to do so.

              No doubt the tenant had suitable locks (and alarm and had the bike marked etc.) before the gatewas changed and will be prepared to revert to using them.

              The OP couuld suggest that the damage (scuff marks) should be repaired asap, at the tenants cost, but if not too bad, these could be left to be deducted from the deposit.

              Motorcyclists usually fall into two categories; those who love their bikes dearly, and those who love their bikes dearly AND need them to get to work! Know your customer.

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              • #8
                I'd say that the pragmatic solution would be to put something costmetic - depending on aesthetic sensitivities of T - over the slatted panel of the gate, after seeing if T would then keep bike outside in that case.

                I'd try a shaped sheet of ply and about eight screws.

                Or just spend £100 or so to replace the gate with a solid one.

                Either that, or accepting that you (if T refuses and you can't prove it) will need to replace the hall carpet, is still a *lot* cheaper than the cost of changing T.

                Or you could supply a lockable (motor) bike shed.

                ML
                Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                • #9
                  Sorry to everyone, but motor vehicles do not reside inside buildings
                  that do not have parking spaces for motor vehicles.
                  Motor vehicles park outside,
                  and in the premises described park outside also.

                  End of story.

                  There is no dispute. Vehicles park outside.
                  And there is NO, ah, well, you see, I need it to get to work.
                  Vehicles park outside.

                  Get your act together.

                  R.a.M.

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                  • #10
                    M'cycle in property is a fire and safety hazard.

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                    • #11
                      There is definitely a H&S issue as there is a combustable source. There is also the potential damage for:

                      1. Impact of side stand or centre stand on floor (would dent laminate flooring, cause high level of flexing)
                      2. Impact from wheels on floor. Remember bikes weigh upwards of 100 kilos (mine weights around 200 dry)
                      3. Impact from knocking things

                      My recommendation for him is to buy an approved ground anchor and an ALMAX chain and get the bike outside. These are highly resistant to bolt croppers.
                      Liability statement. My liability to you is not to exceed the amount you are paying for my recommendations or advice.

                      I see a bright new future, where chickens can cross the road with no fear of having their motives questioned

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                        There is definitely a H&S issue as there is a combustable source. There is also the potential damage for:

                        1. Impact of side stand or centre stand on floor (would dent laminate flooring, cause high level of flexing)
                        2. Impact from wheels on floor. Remember bikes weigh upwards of 100 kilos (mine weights around 200 dry)
                        3. Impact from knocking things
                        Doesn't happen, as "Vehicles park outside"

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                        • #13
                          The Tenant can do what he likes in his home (unless he breaches some law or term of his agreement). Is there a prohibition on keeping a motorbike in the property in the Tenancy Agreement? If not you'd be relying on the implied term to act in a tenant like manner and without proof of actual damage I doubt that would get you anywhere.

                          You can of course serve a section 21 notice when the fixed term expires. Have you protected the deposit in an approved scheme?
                          Disclaimer:

                          The above represents my own opinion, derived from personal knowledge and should not be relied upon as definitive or accurate advice. It is offered free of charge and may contain errors or omissions or be an inaccurate opinion of the law. I accept no liability for any loss or damage suffered as a result of relying on the above.

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                          • #14
                            Yes, deposit was put in DPS day after money was paid, so is well within the 14 days.
                            I've checked the tenancy Agreement and there is a clause which states ' not to park any vehicle on the premises'. Also, it is a health and safety issue as there is petrol in the tank and it may invalidate my insurance.

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                            • #15
                              So what are you going to do to pursuade your tenant that they should keep their bike outside?

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