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    How to secure a property from the outside

    Does anyone have any good ideas on how to secure a property from the outside.

    I can't post the scenario, but in essence I need to secure against unlikely reappearance of ex-T for a few hours due to a third party who will enter with me not being immediately available, between the time when an S21 expires and the third party arriving in the morning.

    It doesn't need Fort Knox security to protect against the professional criminals who are used by career squatters, just exclusion of old T until I have a witness to re-enter with.

    I will obviously park a car at the top of the drive etc to prevent gates being opened etc, but what can I do with the (wooden) doors?

    My thought is just a small steel plate screwed over the keyhole with security screws, but I wondered if there were any other ideas.

    Cheers

    ML
    Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

    #2
    Not sure what you are considering is legal but wot-U-suggest & maybe bolt & padlock on't outside of gates & front & back doors??
    http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p60917


    I think I know who the T will call if he does returns and finds them tho... (Starts with P, usually in uniform...)

    Best of luck, sounds interesting!! Hope we get details later...
    I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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      #3
      I'll post more info after the fact, but I'm confident of my position and the legality of my proposed action.

      If (1) a tenancy is over, (2) the tenant has left and (3) a correct S21 notice of possession has been served two months previously, then I am perfectly entitled to reenter my property after the date stated on the S21.

      In this case I am securing the property without entering at the time when I am entitled to enter, in order to enter with an independent witness a bit later on to protect myself from spurious claims about condition.

      In the absence of a written surrender, (1) and (2) are judgement calls, dependent on various points. I am happy that these indicate that the tenancy is over and T has vacated - short of situation changing by T physically moving back in before expiry of S21.

      If T does move back in first then it will be the standard court process, but I don't want to run the risk of T moving back *after* Tenancy has finished and creating hassle.

      If T appears after I have secured the vacated property upon expiry of the S21, I'd be quite happy to have a conversation with the police about T demanding re-entry to a property they vacated weeks previously *after* possession has been reasserted as LL is entitled to do.

      ML
      Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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        #4
        BTW someone has just pointed me to these rather wonderful "combi-bolts" from Wickes.

        A tower bolt with a built-in combination lock - £11 each.

        http://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/160681

        ML
        Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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          #5
          I don't see how they are secure. Wouldn't you just have to take out all the screws....and door will open. ????

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            #6
            Originally posted by subjecttocontract View Post
            I don't see how they are secure. Wouldn't you just have to take out all the screws....and door will open. ????
            Only 2 actually. I did see a hasp and staple used once where the parts did not overlap, allowing access to the fixing screws.

            pm
            Before acting on forum advice, you may wish to consult an expert, someone who has all the relevant facts, and who accepts liability for their advice.

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              #7
              Originally posted by subjecttocontract View Post
              I don't see how they are secure. Wouldn't you just have to take out all the screws....and door will open. ????
              They are one way security screws - with an angled face on the "unscrew" side. That is not "secure secure", as they could be drilled out, but is enough that getting through it would be breaking and entering, and will keep a layperson at bay easily.

              See http://architectures.danlockton.co.u...-of-the-screw/

              You may like "2-HOLE SECURITY BARREL NUTS & SEX BOLTS"
              http://www.securityfasteners.net/Sec...Sex-Bolts.html

              These are good - sentinel screws:
              http://www.securityfasteners.net/Sec...ine-Screw.html

              ML
              Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                #8
                Originally posted by midlandslandlord View Post
                They are one way security screws - with an angled face on the "unscrew" side. That is not "secure secure", as they could be drilled out, but is enough that getting through it would be breaking and entering, and will keep a layperson at bay easily.
                Equally, the security screws will be a bugger for you to remove yourself, when the time comes.

                Why don't you just use the obvious standard padlock and hasp, as you've already alluded to yourself? Fitted correctly (probably will entail bending it through 90 degrees, around the door jamb), all the (standard) screw heads are concealed when the padlock is in place. Yes it will ultimately yield to a crowbar etc, but will keep out the non-determined thief which is what you seem to be after here.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by midlandslandlord View Post
                  If (1) a tenancy is over, (2) the tenant has left and (3) a correct S21 notice of possession has been served two months previously, then I am perfectly entitled to reenter my property after the date stated on the S21.
                  Do you not need an Order of Possession before you enter the property, in the absence of the tenant confirming their departure and surrendering their tenancy?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DrunkenJedi View Post
                    Do you not need an Order of Possession before you enter the property, in the absence of the tenant confirming their departure and surrendering their tenancy?
                    In theory for belt, braces and asbestos underpants, yes - but we all make judgement calls sometimes.

                    ML
                    Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                      #11
                      Caramba. The property is recovered and secured from the outside.

                      Onward and upward to see what happens next, starting with a visit from an EHO this morning to advise on what I need to do with the piles of rubbish left behind inside and out which the removal men refused to touch when T removed furniture.

                      Thanks for all the advice.

                      I think I want to be a pen-pusher and deal with clean sheets of paper :-). Though of course we all are pen-pushers anyway.

                      ML
                      Refer Mad Regulators to Arkell vs Pressdram.

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                        #12
                        Good news (hopefully...).

                        Your position (S21, T leaves, date for S21 expiry has passed..) may the same I think (in principle..) as one I became aware of on a Scottish Eviction course a few weeks ago from the Solicitor giving the course (words may be different..) as being only an implied termination of the tenancy.. Is that the same in Engerland & is there a different legal terminology?? Any comments from Legal collossi hereabouts??

                        It so happens I am in very similar situation north-of-the-border, albeit keys return by "friend of tenant as I'm at work this morning"..when I got the keys back 3 weeks ago (& then had to call the Polis on account of pipes etc found that "did not appear to be designed for smoking tobacco..."..).
                        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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