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    No shower in property for a week?!

    I am renting a room in a shared house, and my landlord came in yesterday and has literally gutted the bathroom, walls are stripped back to nothing, no toilet in there, no shower, no nothing. There is another toilet, but no other shower.

    He has told us that it will be 6 days until the shower will be usable again. Is there anything I can do about it?

    #2
    I suspect not, as you do not have exclusive rights over the bathroom.

    It sounds like your landlord should have at least warned you that this work needed doing, but I am guessing 6 days (including a weekend) is not an unreasonable time to sort this out - it's not as if he is procrastinating.

    I think there is room for negotiation on rent during the time - say 25% off a weeks rent - but it would have to be negotiated, the cost of getting it legally would far outweigh the £20(?) you'd be looking at as reasonable recompense.

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      #3
      The problem you have is that while the LL is legally obliged to provide some kind of bathing facility, there is nothing set in law as to what happens if the facility is not functioning for a x period of time, or like in your situation, the LL takes out the facility for x period of time.
      If you have a reasonable alternative, such as a friend/neighbour/workplace facility, I would just use that but I would also inform the LL that if the facility was not returned within the specified time, you would be seeking legal advice as to what action is open to you and your flat-mates.

      If you have no alternative, I think it is reasonable to ask the LL for reimbursement for you to use external facilities, if you can find something, including any travel or other ancillary expenses.

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        #4
        I haven't asked for any rent deductions yet, but the shower is still not working. We were promised that it would be working on Friday and it's Saturday now, it's getting ridiculous now. He is doing the work himself, and I think that's why it's taking so long, as he is not a plumber or anything.

        What should I say to my landlord? Sorry, but I really don't know what to do about this...

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          #5
          Originally posted by gamesmad View Post
          There is another toilet, but no other shower.
          Is there a bath elsewhere?

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            #6
            No, that shower is the only proper washing facility in the house. Without that it's the sink...

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              #7
              You are sunk - er - sink, then!!!!!

              Negotiate.

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                #8
                This matter has the indicators of a genuinely bad landlord.

                Ask the LL how does he expect you to wash.
                If he doesn't expect you to wash in the home (the only answer), ask him what compensation he will offer now that his promise has been broken?

                Furthermore, you have nothing to lose in asserting your rights and getting the LL to recognise what situation he has voluntarily chosen to put you in, because unless you have such a brilliant deal or you are in a situation where it will be hard for you to move somewhere else, you're not losing anything by holding him to his responsibilities.
                And do you really want to stay somewhere where the LL behaves like this (and worse)?

                Remember, the LL hasn't considered nor consulted with you and your flatmates before removing the only bathing facility (was it really urgent for this to be done now?) so he doesn't have any regard for you, whatsoever.
                I have met such landlord's before and it won't get better for you.
                Its also likely that he has done other things to you before (or will do) that are not right, or you have sensed things with him that might not be right.

                It would also be best for all of you to sign a letter to him stating your demands.
                This is not a minor matter about decoration, a light not working or a creaky door/floorboard, so don't be worried about being overly demanding or something.

                I wonder if the LL would just put up with no washing for himself and his family for a week or more?
                The LL doesn't care about you and your flatmates and he is a nasty little toad.

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                  #9
                  What would also worry me in this situation with LL doing all work himself is - are the electrics safe and/or are they tested & approved by a suitably qualified electrician?? Might be worth asking LL how he is having any electric work certified as safe: Electricity & bathrooms => Very dangerous mixture unless people really know what they are doing.

                  Sorry to read your story: Hope it gets sorted soon. Agree with DrunkenJ's remarks...
                  I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by gamesmad View Post
                    No, that shower is the only proper washing facility in the house. Without that it's the sink...
                    Is there nowhere to wash your hands apart from the kitchen sink? Is the wc in a separate room?

                    How many people are sharing the facilities?

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                      #11
                      What are you actually looking for? A reduction in rent? Talk to him - he's obviously there at the house.

                      If this work needed doing, and I assume it did otherwise he wouldn't be doing it, what do you think the LL should have done? He could have given you all notice to leave and done the work in an empty house, but I'm sure that would have brought complaints.

                      Did he really not tell you, or any of the tenants, that this would be happening? I'd be surprised if he hadn't. What do the other's in the house say?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrunkenJedi View Post
                        The problem you have is that while the LL is legally obliged to provide some kind of bathing facility, there is nothing set in law as to what happens if the facility is not functioning for a x period of time, or like in your situation, the LL takes out the facility for x period of time.
                        Well, 'nothing' isn't really correct; a number of things might happen if LL continues to fail to reinstate the shower.

                        1) T may report lack of bathing facilities to the Environmental Health Officer, who can force LL to reinstate under either s.11 LTA1985 or HHSRS/HA2004. If LL fails to comply with the order, the local authority can do the works and recover the cost from LL.
                        2) T may follow the procedure for carrying out the repairs himself and deducting the cost from the rent, as established by Lee-Parker v Izzet [1971].
                        3) T may bring claim against LL for damages.
                        4) T may issue an injunction requiring LL to carry out repairs.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by westminster View Post
                          Well, 'nothing' isn't really correct
                          Really?

                          There is nothing specific set in law as to what will happen should a LLs statutory obligations fail for one reason or another, so my statement is true.
                          The tenant can take action and argue their case, but it would be upto a judge to determine a number of things and so this avenue is not certain to yield a favourable outcome for the tenant.
                          The tenant would also have to prove a number of things and may not be able to or be inclined to.

                          Mights and mays don't amount to a clear definition or provide the tenant with confidence or peace of mind should something get out of hand.
                          The law is poor in this area regarding tenant's recourse to remedies and tenants need to be aware of the existence of and about the nature of the few that are, which most tenants I would argue are not.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DrunkenJedi View Post
                            Really?

                            There is nothing specific set in law as to what will happen should a LLs statutory obligations fail for one reason or another, so my statement is true.
                            The tenant can take action and argue their case, but it would be upto a judge to determine a number of things and so this avenue is not certain to yield a favourable outcome for the tenant.
                            The tenant would also have to prove a number of things and may not be able to or be inclined to.

                            Mights and mays don't amount to a clear definition or provide the tenant with confidence or peace of mind should something get out of hand.
                            The law is poor in this area regarding tenant's recourse to remedies and tenants need to be aware of the existence of and about the nature of the few that are, which most tenants I would argue are not.
                            This member's posts continue to have an anaesthetic effect on my brain.
                            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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