Furnished or unfurnished? What does 'furnished' include?

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    I wouldn't wait for the dreary bozo LL or the bozo agent.

    Take action yourself without further delay to allay the idea that you are not mitigating your losses.

    Get some form of bed/futon asap and deduct the cost of this from the next rent, or get one free as has been suggested.
    Deduct also an amount for the time you have not had use of the property (and had to live elsewhere) and the wasted time you have have spent waiting around for the LL to deliver the furniture that should have been there in the first place,

    I would say this additional compensation is worth 40-50% of the monthly rent - a home with no bed can't be lived in all reasonableness.

    Tell the agent and the LL that you are doing this and why.

    If you have time, go to a Citizens Advice Bureau or the local tenant support officer (correct name?) at your council for advice on what you could reasonably deduct.
    Maybe do some searches to see what information is available on the subject.

    You have a document that was part of a deal - the deal was broken by the other side.
    In my opinion, you have just cause to be compensated.

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      Originally posted by westminster View Post
      My dining table doubles as my desk, so I spend several hours a day sitting on a dining chair.
      There's 2 things here.

      1. I think there is a difference between what the above and what the OP was doing.
      Sitting around for hours doing nothing is not easy or comfortable and quickly becomes tiring.
      When you are doing things at desk/table, your mind is focused elsewhere and the lack of comfort of the chair is not noticed very much or as much.

      2. Just because you and others are fine with sitting on a dining chair for hours, doesn't mean someone else will be too.
      We do not know the reason why they find it uncomfortable enough to prefer to sit on the floor instead.

      I would have thought that it would have been better for the OP to have made arrangements for the LL to call the OP say 1/2 hour before going over to the property, than to go and sit around for hours without any guarantee that the LL would arrive with the furniture.

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        Originally posted by DrunkenJedi View Post
        Get some form of bed/futon asap and deduct the cost of this from the next rent, or get one free as has been suggested.
        Deduct also an amount for the time you have not had use of the property (and had to live elsewhere) and the wasted time you have have spent waiting around for the LL to deliver the furniture that should have been there in the first place...

        Tell the agent and the LL that you are doing this and why.
        No. T cannot arbitrarily deduct 'compensation' from the rent - this must either be negotiated with the LL or ordered by a court. My suggestion regarding the futon is different because that is an emergency measure to mitigate losses which would otherwise be incurred by staying at a hotel.

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          thank you all for your feedback, i've just been informed that my furniture will be with me by Friday. Do I now just let it lie, or do I proceed with any action regarding the week that they didnt provide furniture?

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            It seems that you have had real costs as well as considerable inconvenience.
            Your LL has not taken your plight seriously. A good LL would have been quick with an apology and would have been at your door with emergency furniture within the day.
            If the furniture does arrive on Friday, then I would suggest that you write off the inconvenience but ask for your real costs (eg. B&B) to be reimbursed.

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              Originally posted by sportbilly View Post
              Do I now just let it lie, or do I proceed with any action regarding the week that they didnt provide furniture?
              If you want to take it further, you must first negotiate with the LL. Legal action is always the last resort.

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                I wouldnt steam in with taking legal action straightaway. 1) it will strain relationships with LL. 2) It may look bad in court.

                If I were the OP, and furniture arrives when it does, discuss with LL your costs incurred and discuss an amicable solution.
                [I]The opinions I give are simply my opinions and interpretations of what I have learnt, in numerous years as a property professional, I would not rely upon them without consulting with a paid advisor and providing them with all the relevant facts[I]

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                  Well, I was promised furniture by 5.30pm today, and surprise surprise it's now 6.15 and no furniture! More wasted hours..... Ahhhhh

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                    Originally posted by sportbilly View Post
                    Well, I was promised furniture by 5.30pm today, and surprise surprise it's now 6.15 and no furniture! More wasted hours..... Ahhhhh
                    I thought you said it was coming on/by Friday?
                    'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                      Letting agent contacted me to say landlord would deliver between 4.30-5.30 today.

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                        we are having the same problem but from the tenant side.
                        We have asked the real estate to inspect the oven several times each week and they just say that they need to get in touch with the landlord.

                        The gas stove tops dont work. The timer has been taken out and just doesnt exist, and the knobs for temperature and fan aren't accurate and only work on one setting.

                        We have suspected a gas leak and have reported it 7 days ago and followed up many times since but no repsonse from the real estate.

                        So from a tenants view, I would personally say to inspect the oven first before replacing or jumping to conculsions.

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                          Was a working gas cooker part of the inventory? Completely unacceptable from my perspective to give tenants a cooker that does not work and may in itself be unsafe. Certainly a "working" gas cooker is part of the gassafe check!! Do you hold a current Gassafe certificate if yes what was the date? If you suspect a gas leak the Agent has a "legal duty" to deal with it he cannot ignore. Suggest put it in writing and take it to him or post with certifcate of posting or better (although a bit more expensive!!) recorded delivery. Give him a maximum of 24 hours to deal then if no action go to the local council and report both the problem and the fact that the agent has refused to do anything about it.

                          At the end of the day this about your well being.

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                            Originally posted by realestateagentsarecrap View Post
                            we are having the same problem but from the tenant side.
                            We have asked the real estate to inspect the oven several times each week and they just say that they need to get in touch with the landlord.

                            The gas stove tops dont work. The timer has been taken out and just doesnt exist, and the knobs for temperature and fan aren't accurate and only work on one setting.

                            We have suspected a gas leak and have reported it 7 days ago and followed up many times since but no repsonse from the real estate.

                            So from a tenants view, I would personally say to inspect the oven first before replacing or jumping to conculsions.
                            I suspect you are in the US? You are extremely welcome here, but be aware that this site is for the English/Welsh market, where laws are almost certainly different.

                            In the UK a gas leak would be attended to within 1 hour by the gas company.

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                              Originally posted by realestateagentsarecrap View Post
                              .............We have suspected a gas leak and have reported it 7 days ago and followed up many times since but no repsonse from the real estate..........
                              I'm amazed that anyone who suspects a gas leak would try contacting an estate agent and then wait 7 days??? If you honestly suspect a leak there's an emergency number to ring, 0800 111 999

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                                Accepted Life Expectancy of items in a furnished property (Wear & Tear)

                                Hello

                                I was just wondering if anyone knew what the accepted life expectancy of items like carpets, laminate flooring, blinds, sofas etc are? I have a small disagreement with a tenant regarding blinds which are only a couple of years old and I believe a good quality blind should have a life expectancy of at least 8 years plus?

                                Strange question I know

                                Thank you

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