Redecoration by T- should L allow it?

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    #16
    Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
    Absolutely. I have rarely agreed with anyone on this forum more wholeheartedly than I do here! T's skewed polystyrene tiles, badly overpainted in turquoise gloss have a profoundly depressing effect upon the human spirit (not to mention the bank balance after decorating disaster is put right).
    I'm almost grateful - almost - to the tenant who taught me about tenant-DIY. He'd painted the bedroom purple, everything purple, not just the walls... Same T helped me learn about small claims procedure as well as the mysterious correlation between rent arrears and damage to property.

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      #17
      Yes, lilac/purple has an inexplicable appeal for some people, doesn't it? The tenants occupying a property we bought (and subsequently gutted - the house, not the tenants!) had painted all the walls purple and all the lovely cornicing and ceilings black, including the ceiling roses and picture rails..then as a finishing touch, glued gold stars all over. The bathroom walls, ceiling and floor had been emulsioned in three shades of blue/green (all equally bilious), presumably in an attempt to create a 'watery' theme. It didn't work.
      'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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        #18
        Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
        Yes, lilac/purple has an inexplicable appeal for some people, doesn't it? The tenants occupying a property we bought (and subsequently gutted - the house, not the tenants!) had painted all the walls purple and all the lovely cornicing and ceilings black, including the ceiling roses and picture rails..then as a finishing touch, glued gold stars all over. The bathroom walls, ceiling and floor had been emulsioned in three shades of blue/green (all equally bilious), presumably in an attempt to create a 'watery' theme. It didn't work.
        Sounds like a 'seemed like a good idea at the time' job
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          #19
          what gets me is the fact that tenants, who might only be there six months, can be bothered to spend one or more of their 26 weekends in the property, decorating. And paying for the materials to do so, when they won't be around to 'enjoy' their labours.

          Why not just enjoy life instead? Go to the pub? Spend the money on disneyland paris tickets instead?

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            #20
            Because (I suppose) the 'nesting' instinct is quite strong in most adults. Even the ones who should be prevented by legal injunctions from ever wielding a paint roller, or even allowed anywhere near B & Q, are nonetheless exposed to far too many TV home make-over programmes, which make it all look incredibly easy.

            Students are best. They like to individualise their rooms when they move in (with millions of photos, fluffy toys/crates of alcohol and their favourite duvet cover), but they lack the inclination and the money to start re-decorating. The thought wouldn't even occur to them. Their weekends are sacrosanct : for catching up with their sleep, drinking, watching 'The X Factor', arguing with their housemates, catching up with their sleep again and in the week before finals, perhaps doing a spot of revision. Praise be for students
            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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              #21
              Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
              Because (I suppose) the 'nesting' instinct is quite strong in most adults. Even the ones who should be prevented by legal injunctions from ever wielding a paint roller, or even allowed anywhere near B & Q, are nonetheless exposed to far too many TV home make-over programmes, which make it all look incredibly easy.
              At least the nightmare of "Changing Rooms" is over, although it was a guilty pleasure seeing the hideous results of MDF + violent hues of paint and the preferably horrified faces of the unlucky couple whose home had been 'transformed' by Linda or Lawrence.

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                #22
                Originally posted by westminster View Post
                At least the nightmare of "Changing Rooms" is over, although it was a guilty pleasure seeing the hideous results of MDF + violent hues of paint and the preferably horrified faces of the unlucky couple whose home had been 'transformed' by Linda or Lawrence.
                DIY chains made a fortune out of that.

                I think it would be great to have a program celebrating rooms that have remained unchanged for more than 15 years.
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                  #23
                  New tenants offerring a new kitchen & paint job...

                  The wife's and sis-in-law's house's tenants have giving notice.. (fine, they were basically OK, 1st letting for all parties..).

                  Agents have very promptly found prospective tenants - couple, both work, small kid, can move in 1 week after previous depart: Perfect.. (Assuming references check-out). They want a 12-month deal as they really really love the house (great!) and want to put in a new kitchen & repaint everything - guess what!! Landlord's favourite, Magnolia...


                  So, assuming this is all legit & not too good to be true and really a cannabis farmer or whatever,, (the girls are quite happy with a paint-job & new kitchen..) what conditions might the assembled company think up as required prior to agreement??

                  Off the top of me 'ead I'd suggest..

                  Kitchen (quite small).
                  - Approval by LL of plan layout & door colours..
                  - Kitchen/fittings/etc immediately becomes property of Landlord..
                  - Any electrics and/or gas to be fitted/approved by time-served-badge-holding craftsperson acceptable to the authorities (safety certs etc).
                  - Sign off on completion by agents local handy-man (the quick once-over: LL will pay for this)
                  - Any structural alterations only with approval of Landlords
                  - Flooring/doors/lighting etc. to be inspected prior to tenancy as-per-normal & any damage handled by normal deposit process
                  - Nil charges otherwise to LL

                  Paint-Job
                  - Carpets etc. to be inspected prior to tenancy as-per-normal & any damage handled by normal deposit stuff.
                  - Sign off on completion by agents local handy-man (the quick once-over). LLs will pay for this.

                  I sort of feel I'm suggesting too much & being heavy-handed but it's the girls only letting & we all know an over-enthusiastic "DIYer" can wreak £kssssss of consequences...

                  Regards & thanks in advance for your thoughts, whatever they may be!

                  Lodger
                  I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                    #24
                    Tenants willing to put in new kitchen (around £2k plus fitting, even for a small one) with the potential of eviction in 12 months - something doesn't sound right to me.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
                      - Approval by LL of plan layout & door colours..
                      - Kitchen/fittings/etc immediately becomes property of Landlord..
                      - Any electrics and/or gas to be fitted/approved by time-served-badge-holding craftsperson acceptable to the authorities (safety certs etc).
                      - Sign off on completion by agents local handy-man (the quick once-over: LL will pay for this)
                      - Any structural alterations only with approval of Landlords
                      - Flooring/doors/lighting etc. to be inspected prior to tenancy as-per-normal & any damage handled by normal deposit process
                      - Nil charges otherwise to LL...

                      ...we all know an over-enthusiastic "DIYer" can wreak £kssssss of consequences...
                      Yes, and what happens if they don't comply ('oh, we thought the bright pink cupboards were much nicer in the end/didn't realize that wall was structural'), and/or make a total mess of it? Is your wife prepared to pursue legal action against T for cost of damage, and could the tenants afford to pay for the cost for professionals to put things right?

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                        #26
                        Say "No".
                        If it needs a new kitchen and paint job, then get the owners to get it done out of their own pocket before they let it again.

                        Alternatively, let them have it, and make provision for it to be painted in six months time if they are conducting the tenancy appropriately.
                        Then the kitchen three months after that.
                        Allow tenants to protect their own deposits. I want free money when they do it wrong

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                          #27
                          Any approval from LL must be in writing.

                          Compliance with any applicable building regs?

                          Do you really want the agents handy man signing off the work?

                          Perhaps LL should be the party buying the units (and T pays LL). If there is then any defect LL can sue without needing an assignment from T.
                          PAUL GIBBS, solicitor, Jacobs & Reeves. My comments on this forum are correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. No responsibility or liability is accepted by reason of reliance upon such comments. This disclaimer would not apply to direct clients of Jacobs & Reeves where there is a valid retainer in place and I would be happy to confirm any advice if formally instructed. . Jacobs & Reeves now offer a fixed fee possession service.

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                            #28
                            Thanks guys, very valuable & considered points: I am now taking instruction from my principals....
                            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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