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    Builders cutting power/ being moved temp to Hotel

    Hello.

    any advice welcome.

    At present we have builders below our home, we live above shops being refurbished by the Landlords of our building.
    The Builders want to cut the power on the 10th Aug for what they say "15 hours" to install major cables downstairs to shops area.
    this all verbal communication so far.
    The builders manager came to our home last week and requested that would we be ok with this and offered us £250.
    Yesterday he again knocked on door this time saying that he wants to put a proposal to us that the owners of the building put us up in a hotel across the rd from our home for 4 days in order not just for the power cut but to also carry out what he called "very noisy works.
    We have already tolerated very noisy works for the last 2 months now and the council are in the process they say of bringing a prosecution against the builders for constanlty breaching a notice served on them 6 weeks ago.
    l have no doubt though by the time the council pull their finger out the buidling work will be long finished { finish date end of Sept }
    the questions l'd like to ask are :
    1, can we say bollox to this offer ???
    2, can we agree the offer of accomadation along with some form of finanacial compensation ????
    3, they way we feel right now is that this company along with the landlords
    4, a figure in money terms regarding compenstion would be really helpful, as we have no idea what is deemed reasonable. as l said before we expect the electricity will be out for at least 24 hours, and both my parents not looking forward to having to move to a hotel for 4 days.
    loss of food , home comforts, internet, etx, could we add all these things up ???
    have made our lives a total misery over the last 2 months with all this noise, we want to get as much as possible out of this or at least be as awkward as possible as they have been to both us and the council.
    The council have said they are pushing the Landlords to put us up in a hotel for the remaining duration of the works, using the pending prosecution they say as some kind of bargining tool.
    my honest opinion is that the council will probably not prosecute even though they inform us that they will.
    l live with my Parents, my Father is registered disabled and my Mother is currently in very poor health. My sister also lives with us.
    There is only 2 other tenants in the building, one of which already wrote to the council stating that she has been forced to move out of her home becuase of the terrible constant building works noise.

    Thankyou Charles

    #2
    hello,

    sorry l forgot to mention our neigbour has been forced out of her home temporally, she is staying with a friend.

    We are thinking that maybe they will just cut the power for what they said "15 hours" wether we agree to them putting us up in a hotel or not.

    ohhhhhh and by the way l suggested the hotel idea when they intially came to see us last week saying that they wanted to cut the power for 15 hours at least.

    l have asked them to put this in writing to us and they said they would.

    l think the letter will then just bethem stating that do we agree to be put up in the hotel for a 4 day period starting 10 aug.

    l want to know how to reply to this letter.

    should we then give them a money figure we think is reasonable for the inconvienance and stress caused having to go through all this, not to mention food and medical situation with regards to my parents. ?????

    or ask them what would they consider a reasonable figure ?????????

    Thanks folks Charles

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      #3
      Firstly I'd be very interested as to what action the council might take. The breach in itself means nothing until the council has served a Notice detailing the apparent breach of whatever rules or regulations, and a court has made a ruling. This process is usually slow so don't hold your breath!

      Make sure before you agree to anything at all, the landlord's proposals are put in writing, and you should consult a solicitor before replying. Although the builder may have approached you it's the landlord who has ultimate responsibility so all proposals and dialogue should be with him. He is not entitled to deny you or your family your legal rights concerning displacement.

      The building works are considered a nuisance so you would be entitled to compensation for the duration of the works anyway as denial of "quiet enjoyment", so use this as a bargaining tool. I would advise you to consult a solicitor anyway and get the landlord to pay his costs too as this is entirely reasonable to expect him to do so. If he is any good the solicitor will be able to secure you a good deal. Look for a specialist in landlord & tenant law or housing matters.
      The advice I give should not be construed as a definitive answer, and is without prejudice or liability. You are advised to consult a specialist solicitor or other person of equal legal standing.

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        #4
        the landlords are not even replying to the council let alone us over the noiseover the past 2 months.

        we hardly expect them to reply to us over this matter let alone entertain the idea of paying for us to see a solicitor.

        at this stage l would like to get some idea of how much we would be entitled to be compensated, and if there is a way we can stop this from happening for what is rather short notice we think {10th Aug }

        as said before they have ignored us the last 2 months making our lives a misery, partly council to blame for not taken action sooner, although as they keep telling us now they are in the process of doing something { yea yea yea}

        l expect l'll recieve this proposition in writing soon, and the what ???????

        l think until recive something in writing no point in going to solicitor.

        and as you say l will just pass it onto solicitor and then he'll write direct to landlord right ???? asking why he has not written to us over this matter.

        this all will take it upto the 10th Aug l'm sure, then what ????????

        can they just go ahead and turn the power off ????

        and don't say they can't, there is only 2 occupied flats her in the building, l'm sure they will worry about the legal situation only afterwards with us.

        what l want to know is there anything we can do to prevent them from turning off the power,??????
        obviously we have no confidence over the noise, the council have already not stpped one single day of what they say is unaceptable noise levels for the past 2 months.
        so how in the fux will they stop this next 4 days {from 10th Aug}of what the builders said would be "very loud noise" ?????????

        a friend said something about getting an injunction, what good is that when the works will be over the weekend ??????????

        and anyway we don't have the funds to get legal advice at this time.

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          #5
          Two suggestions ... no, three ...

          1. Have you thought about witholding the rent? I'd put money on the fact it would soon focus your LL attention .. you'd have to write to him (by recorded delivery, preferably) stating the reasons comprehensively, and give him 7 days in which to reply.

          2. I understand about not being able to afford legal advice .. why not try Shelter ? I'm certain they will be able to advise on your best course of action, and if necessary, act as your advocate

          3. Get Social Services involved, especially in view of your mothers ill health and disability, which surely must be compromised because of all of this. In fact, Shelter will probably do this for/with you.

          You never know, it may well be that the LA have a duty to rehouse you because of this. Again, Sheler will be able to advise. If there's an office near you,they are usually, drop in centres with no appointment necessary.

          I really feel for you and your family - it must be an abslute nightmare.
          Any information or opinion given in this post is based only on my personal experience, what I have learned from this, other boards and elsewhere. It is not to be relied on. Definitive advice is only available from a Solicitor or other appropriately qualified person. E&OE

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            #6
            its ok not after sympathy, already builders have stopped calling at our address as monkeys passing on managers messages, after me throwing one down the stairs head first of the balcony area our flat is located at.

            as for shelter thats all good and well but they take 2 weeks to even get an appointment and then you get some waffle from someone who tells you l'll get advice off someone else and before you know it a month has gone.
            been there done it.

            what l need to know is what we can do to stop this.
            or make a problem for them.
            or a figure of compensation we can ask for.

            as l'm sure plenty here know its all great saying get advice from legal experts.
            in practise it don't work that way.
            we have had the legal process from council for last 2 months, look where that has got us.
            can anyone tell me what we can do to make these assholes pay financially ?????
            will with holding rent stop these tossers from turning off our power or continue to make our life a misery in our own home ?????
            l doubt it.
            pour landlord is a PLc company.

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              #7
              Terribly sorry !! I was empathising not sympathising . I won't do it again.

              Originally posted by charles10
              its ok not after sympathy, already builders have stopped calling at our address as monkeys passing on managers messages, after me throwing one down the stairs head first of the balcony area our flat is located at. Not very clever- you could easily have ended up being on an assualt or GBH charge - or worse - if he sustained serious injury.

              what l need to know is what we can do to stop this. Take legal action against them - take them to court. Or ask the department of your LA that deals with Landlord/Tenant issues what to do (I'm sure you'll find an objection to this). or make a problem for them. And this would achieve what exactly ? or a figure of compensation we can ask for. How long is a piece of string? You have to sit down and work out the sums and figure out what it's worth to you. Not sure anyone else can put a price on it for you.

              as l'm sure plenty here know its all great saying get advice from legal experts.
              in practise it don't work that way. I don't know what else you expect us to to suggest - if you can't afford it, go to a solicitor under the 30 minutes free scheme, or whatever it's called, and get legal aid. The only other way is as I've suggested already - which I know you'll dismiss - Shelter or CAB
              we have had the legal process from council for last 2 months, look where that has got us.
              can anyone tell me what we can do to make these assholes pay financially ????? Yes - you either enter into negotiations with them or you sue them - there aren't any other (legal) ways.
              will with holding rent stop these tossers from turning off our power or continue to make our life a misery in our own home ?????
              l doubt it. It may have done if the LL was a private individual
              pour landlord is a PLc company. You never said this at the beginning .. it was assumed your LL was a private individual. But look on the bright side - they have plenty of money you can sue them for
              Any information or opinion given in this post is based only on my personal experience, what I have learned from this, other boards and elsewhere. It is not to be relied on. Definitive advice is only available from a Solicitor or other appropriately qualified person. E&OE

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                #8
                Charles10, if you don't trust and believe in a solicitor what are the chances that you can trust and believe a forum?

                People have so far been helpful to you and given you the best solutions which you have dismissed.

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                  #9
                  trust a solicitor !!!!!!

                  bet you pair are estate agents.

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                    #10
                    just explained to you that going to places like Shelter takes forever just to get an appointment.
                    and trusting a solicitor, well you can sure forget about that, you'll find in life when fee's stop being paid trust is just one of a million things that fly's out of a solicitor's office window

                    anyway no offence meant, just informing you we have tried that avenue already, but will of course keep trying.

                    Contractors dropped off letter today now saying that they don't need to turn our power off .
                    They still propose putting us up in hotel for 4 days due to continuous noise for most of those 4 days.
                    we have already suffered continuous noise for the past 2 months, what are they going on about!!!!!!!

                    tapped conversation this morning of their contracts manager telephoning me ,
                    l asked him we need the Lnadlord to write to us proposing all this he said:
                    " we are making this proposal to you as a good will gesture ourselves" and that " your Landlords{PLC} really don't care about wether or not we are moved to a hotel or not"

                    l have mentioned all this to the Council Enviro guy who says "thats out of order" to say.

                    what l think it is now, is that these contractors are worried that the council will catch them out again during this work period, either way surely they would'nt be able to work outside of the Notice hours already served on them by council, even if we did take up the Hotel offer.

                    can anyone tell me without asking me to go to a solicitor, would it be fair of us now to reply back to the contractor's requesting compensation along with the offer of hotel rooms ????????????????

                    Thanks

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                      #11
                      Now why would you say that?? I'm actually a tenant, on Housing Benefit and disability benefits, and I've found Shleter not only immediately available for me to drop in when I want without having to make an appointment but they've also helped me tremendously by acting as my advocate.

                      so I'm afraid your little theory as to my "profession" has just fallen flat on it's face.

                      Not only do you have a very negative attitude problem but you seem quite rude an ungrateful as well.

                      You obviously don't trust anyone at all, regardless of their background or qualifications, so there is little point in asking for advice if you're not willing to listen to it and act upon it.

                      Why should all the good people on here who have tried to (voluntarily) help you if all you do is throw it back at them. I'm sure each one of them has better things to do with their time.

                      If you don't want to take good, sound, solid advice, that is up to you. Please don't waste our time in the process.

                      So my only remaining piece of advice is go and do it your way - throw another builder off the balcony, "make a problem for them" and I can guarantee that not only will you be left iwithout electricity for less than a day ! but you will also be able have your day in court without having to pay a penny - a criminal one with you being the defendent not the LL.

                      have a nice day
                      Any information or opinion given in this post is based only on my personal experience, what I have learned from this, other boards and elsewhere. It is not to be relied on. Definitive advice is only available from a Solicitor or other appropriately qualified person. E&OE

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                        #12
                        Just had long conversation with senior Enviromental guy at council.

                        he says legally they can and will prosecute the contractor's if they fail to comply with notice one more time. { that will not help us in anyway though his words}

                        He says civil route in his experience you'll find almost impossible to prove so many things as unreasonable even with readings, and that he would advise against it if it was a friend.

                        l'm sure all the know all's here will point out whats legal and illegal, but sadly experience says different.

                        anyone got any idea's a Sum figure of money we can ask for now for being put up for 4 days in a Hotel ?????????
                        4 of us in family.

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                          #13
                          Ppayiya or whatever your called, just wonk off.

                          keep your liberal rantings for your next visit to nutty clinic.

                          Had plenty of sound good advice here from many.

                          Your use of the word "We" l think rather insulting to others here.

                          You can come on my balcony anytime, just make sure you bring your wings.

                          Don't reply again you irritating obviously frustrated tw%t

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                            #14
                            Do what everyone else would do - phone an hotel and ask them !!

                            As for your subsequent post - you've finally shown your what you're REALLY about there, haven't you?

                            Sad.


                            Originally posted by charles10
                            anyone got any idea's a Sum figure of money we can ask for now for being put up for 4 days in a Hotel ?????????
                            4 of us in family.
                            Any information or opinion given in this post is based only on my personal experience, what I have learned from this, other boards and elsewhere. It is not to be relied on. Definitive advice is only available from a Solicitor or other appropriately qualified person. E&OE

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                              #15
                              A judge as well as a liberal.

                              What a perfect being you are you are.

                              As said before why don't you go and irritate somebody else.

                              Pls don't reply again. you are an annoying distraction.


                              For the people here who continue to advise so well, l will have to explain the matter again due to this pain in the butt know all who just posted for only reasons of obvious high and mighty moral smuggness.

                              The Building Contractor's offer is to put myself and family up for 4 days in a Hotel next door to our home.
                              l would like to know what if any amount of Financial compensation we could ask for along with the offer of 4 hotel rooms.
                              l have no idea what sort of figure would be deemed reasonable, thats why l'm asking you guys to get some sort of idea.
                              Then l will reply to the contractor's letter saying we would accept their offer of the Hotel proposal along with a certain amount of cash as compensation for all other expenses .

                              Cheers Charles

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