Who's responsible for TV aerial (missing or not on Inventory)?

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    #46
    I'm not sure of the position if the property contains one or more aerial sockets. If the sockets are on the inventory and not identified as not working then surely a tenant is right to expect them to be working and a landlord has a responsibility to pick up the costs ?

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      #47
      TV Aeriel

      Hello Everyone,

      Any advice gratefully received...

      I am renting my flat from a private landlord and recently tried switching to BT to provide all of my services, i.e. I installed a BT landline which previously did not exist (at no cost to the landlord); broadband and TV services. Unfortunately the TV aeriel does not appear to be working as I cannot get a signal to receive any channels. The managing agents have spoken with other residents in the block and they are not having any problems, therefore I do not believe that the problem lies with the communal aeriel but the actual aeriel socket within the property. I have asked the landlord to call in an aeriel specialist but so far they have refused.

      Please could someone clarify whether this problem should be resolved by the landlord? The aeriel socket is in the sitting room and when I inspected I made the (reasonable) assumption that it must work - and nothing was said to the contrary/disclosures formally made.

      I am currently thinking about clawing back the money by deducting some rent as I have had three days when the property was uninhabitable (due to lack of toilet facilities - the toilet broke) and another day when the boiler completely failed (during the very hard snow that we had recently).

      Thanks.

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        #48
        This is a flat. Did you ask L for consent to what you wish (and, in turn, did L as leaseholder ask his reversioner)?
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          #49
          Hi Jeffrey, Yes I did ask for consent from the landlord.

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            #50
            The socket might be covered by L's obligations under s.11 of LTA 1985 as part of the electrical installation (i.e. not merely apparatus/equipment).
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              #51
              Thanks very much for your advice Jeffrey.

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                #52
                troubled aerial/ landlord?

                im currently one month into a tenancy on a new built apartment. since moving in i have discovered that the aerials in the apartment do not exist. After several complaints to the LA, i keep getting fobbed off with 'Ill pass this on to the landlord' but still not heard from him. I have had sky/ virgin around to install yet none of them are able to do it due to the location. I have offered to get a independant retailer out and to then pass on the cost to which i am told i am not allowed to do this as the landlord wants to carry out his own repairs, yet he is not responding. where do i stand?

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                  #53
                  I think you will have to pay for your own aerial if you want one. Did agent tell you there was one before you moved in?
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by gennamorgan View Post
                    im currently one month into a tenancy on a new built apartment. since moving in i have discovered that the aerials in the apartment do not exist.
                    Was the property marketed as having aerials?
                    If so, the LL is responsible.
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                      #55
                      We've just recently moved into an apartment in a newly rebuilt property (our flat is brand new, in other words). There is two aerial outlets but lo and behold, no aerial. The landlord said it was "initially thought to be aerial" but ended up being cable, so I guess that means we have to pay someone to come and install cable? Is this normal? Who should pay for the installation?

                      Thanks.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by tecSV View Post
                        We've just recently moved into an apartment in a newly rebuilt property (our flat is brand new, in other words). There is two aerial outlets but lo and behold, no aerial. The landlord said it was "initially thought to be aerial" but ended up being cable, so I guess that means we have to pay someone to come and install cable? Is this normal? Who should pay for the installation?

                        Thanks.
                        What does the inventory or the tenancy contract say about the existence of, or provision of cable/aerials?
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
                          What does the inventory or the tenancy contract say about the existence of, or provision of cable/aerials?
                          There is no mention of it in the contract but the agency told us "here are the tv aerial sockets" when showing us the apartment.

                          Also, no official inventory has been made.

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                            #58
                            So how would you prove that L is liable at all? It seems to me that he isn't.
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by tecSV View Post
                              We've just recently moved into an apartment in a newly rebuilt property (our flat is brand new, in other words). There is two aerial outlets but lo and behold, no aerial. The landlord said it was "initially thought to be aerial" but ended up being cable, so I guess that means we have to pay someone to come and install cable? Is this normal? Who should pay for the installation?

                              Thanks.
                              Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Is it that there is a coaxial cable routed to the aerial socket, but no aerial at the other end (in the loft or on the roof)? Or are you saying that there is no cable at all?

                              If the former, that is quite common on new build properties. If the latter, I would suggest that is unusual. Either way, what you can do about it depends upon what you were told and, perhaps more importantly, what you can prove you were told.

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                                #60
                                When a T views a rental, they make certain assumptions. eg. The toilet is connected to a sewer; the TV point has cabling to an aerial, etc.

                                Gross, why go off topic? Why assume the toilet is connected to a sewer? Several years ago we rented a new-build house and a few weeks later wondered why the water in the toilets wouldn't drain when flushed. Then noticed that "bits" were floating in the back garden. Frantic calls to LA, LL, builder, and surveyor ensued. Garden dug up. Whoops, builder had laid sewage pipe from house but failed to connect it to sewage outlet. Another example: Last year, we had moved into another house and wondered why the garden had never been cared for. We soon found out. It was too stinky. The toilets were connected to an ancient cesspit which allowed overflow to leak into a fenced off wooded copse and it had open vents to allow fumes to escape. Yummy! Time to move again!

                                Back to TV aerial. If there are TV points in rooms, it is natural to assume that there exists an aerial with a cable running between them to allow T to use their TV. It's an amazing fact, but I am told that many people have taken advantage of this wonderful modern phenomenon called TV. It is very bewildering to plug it into the socket and wonder why it doesn't work.

                                Surely an aerial is a fixture and fitting and the LL should be responsible? If they shirk on this basic necessity, it suggests to me that they are not interested in providing a pleasant living place for their tenants and keeping a good tenant long-term so they can carry on collecting rent. After all, it's a business so why not provide this little service?

                                If they put the expense and responsibility onto the tenant, then surely the tenant, out of principle, should remove it when they leave (repairing any screw holes, etc.)

                                If on the other hand the LL installs an aerial, this will last for, lets say, 10 years at a cost of, say, £200. Are you telling me that the LL is not willing to put in an item that has a yearly cost of only a few pounds and would rather give grief to a newly moved-in tenant? Not very business-like!

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