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    Rules regarding replacement showers

    Hi all,

    I am in the process of replacing the shower for my tenants. I plan to install a mixer shower in place of the bath taps. My plumber tells me that there are new regulations that mean I should install a thermostatically controlled shower.

    I can't find any information on this and am not sure the plumber is correct. Does anyone know? I'm new to all this!

    Thanks

    Hatster

    #2
    Go to a plumbers merchant or B&Q and ask the tradesman advisor.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Hatster View Post
      Hi all,

      I am in the process of replacing the shower for my tenants. I plan to install a mixer shower in place of the bath taps. My plumber tells me that there are new regulations that mean I should install a thermostatically controlled shower.
      Yes, the blue tap and the red tap, turn until you have the right temp!

      seriously, who creates these policies? Is a political body?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Bazdaa View Post
        Yes, the blue tap and the red tap, turn until you have the right temp!

        seriously, who creates these policies? Is a political body?
        It's not always as simple as you suggest, although I understand what you are getting at.

        In some domestic water systems, the temperature of the water coming out of the mixer tap can fluctuate (despite having been 'preset' as it were by the user), when someone somewhere else in the property turns a hot or cold tap on. If that reduces the flow of hot water to the mixer tap in the bathroom/shower, the worst that can happen is that the person in the shower has the unpleasant experience of the water going a bit cold on them. If it reduces the flow of cold water, then scalding can occur. This happened to someone I know when they moved into a new home and weren't warned about it - the previous owner had been a sole occupier, so the problem had never arisen. I think it depends the nature of the hot-water system, how well designed it was in the first place and whether extra showers, etc., have been added since the original installation.
        'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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          #5
          Originally posted by Hatster View Post
          Hi all,

          I am in the process of replacing the shower for my tenants. I plan to install a mixer shower in place of the bath taps. My plumber tells me that there are new regulations that mean I should install a thermostatically controlled shower.

          I can't find any information on this and am not sure the plumber is correct. Does anyone know? I'm new to all this!
          You'll find chapter and verse on this in the relevant Building Regulations here (see page 25). Plumber is correct in that there are new regs to this effect; however the general rule with building regs is tha whereas new builds have to comply, there is no onus on owners of older properties to upgrade them every single time the rules change. That said, if you're installing a new mixer shower as opposed to simply replacing an old one like-for-like, maybe this rule might apply here. But I don't know for sure either way.

          Building Regs dept at your local council would probably be your best point of call.

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            #6
            a thermostatically controlled bath/shower mixer is likely to cost quite a bit more than a non-thermostatic mixer.

            There is no legal obligation to fit a thermostatic one, as Eric says, building regs are not applicable in this case. However, personally i probably would fit thermostatic just to cover my own back in the unlikely event of the tenant scalding themselves. What is the difference in price?

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              #7
              True, if your doing the work anyway then upgrade. I would. However I would be p&ssed if a reg came in forcing ll to change from old to new.

              Ultimately, I think this does not bode well for Tenants as I believe rents will be forced up to cover regs!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Bazdaa View Post
                True, if your doing the work anyway then upgrade. I would. However I would be p&ssed if a reg came in forcing ll to change from old to new.
                Ultimately, I think this does not bode well for Tenants as I believe rents will be forced up to cover regs!
                this cannot and will not ever happen - the building regulations change regularly, yet it would be totally impractical to enforce these changes onto every property in the land - for example, required insulation thicknesses increase regularly - it would be ridiculous if everyone in older houses had to upgrade them every time.

                Building regulations only come into play when work is done which requires them - work such as new builds, extensions, conversions, new bathrooms (i.e. where there wasn't one before, NOT just a refit of an existing one) and major structural changes. Even then, the regulations usually only apply to the part of the building being worked on, not the whole property.

                As far as i can tell, the ONLY explicit regulation that must be adhered to when letting property is that you must have a gas safety certificate (HMO's excepted). The housing act also requires the property is safe, but there are no specific requirements.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by owen View Post
                  As far as i can tell, the ONLY explicit regulation that must be adhered to when letting property is that you must have a gas safety certificate (HMO's excepted).
                  ... and an EPC!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ericthelobster View Post
                    ... and an EPC!
                    oh yeah forgot about that, easily done

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ericthelobster View Post
                      ... and an EPC!
                      and....

                      * Need to have fire labels on soft furnishings.
                      * Need to follow the deposit protection rules.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by owen View Post
                        As far as i can tell, the ONLY explicit regulation that must be adhered to when letting property is that you must have a gas safety certificate (HMO's excepted).
                        HMOs excepted?
                        I've never heard of this. Surely you are mistaken?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by HairyLandlord View Post
                          HMOs excepted?
                          I've never heard of this. Surely you are mistaken?
                          He is mistaken.

                          HMOs definitely need annual CP12 gas safety certificates, just like any other rental property.
                          'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by HairyLandlord View Post
                            HMOs excepted?
                            I've never heard of this. Surely you are mistaken?
                            sorry i didn't make myself clear - HMO's obviously need a gas cert AS WELL AS a whole raft of other legal requirements. My point was that non-HMO's have very few legal requirements.

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