"Out Of Date Food" !! Argument

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  • T.M.
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    Muse

    Actually..it really does help.

    Many thanks.

    T.M.

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  • T.M.
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    MANY Thanks .

    Ok..look..Dazalock, Lawstudent..and everyone else, thanks so much for your replies.

    Its really usefull and informative. i had no idea!!

    I am very gratefull for it.

    Thanks.

    T.M.

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  • lawstudent
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    I am afraid dazalock is talking nonsense. S21 is not a notice of eviction; it is a notice that you require possession. If he fails to leave on that date you still cannot evict, but you have to obtain a court order. Ultimately it is the court that does the eviction, but in this case it will be a lot later than the end of august - the end of october is more likely.

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  • dazalock
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    TM

    No, if you are in a AST with the Tenant which ends end of August, you can give a S21 anytime, as long as you give 2 clear months before the end of the AST, that you are evicting him at the end of August, YOU CANNOT USE THIS TO EVICT SOONER ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE AST IS BREECHED. You are simply saying you are giving notice that your not going to allow the tenant to stay beyond the end of the AST. You could go down the section 8 road, but search around the forums on the pitfalls of this, I doubt if you want to goto court over this?

    I would suggest you give him a S21 to end the tenancy to open his eyes to the seriousness of the situation, there is nothing like an official looking document to focus attentions.

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  • Muse
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    It may help if your tenants understood what the dates on food items actually means as there would appear to be some confusion.

    Sell by date - the date a shop wants to sell the food by (ie. it will look good to them or meets their quality standards) food can still safely be eaten after the sell by date has passed.

    Best before date - exactly as the name suggests, the food is at its best if used before this date.

    There is no hygiene or safety issue with eating or storing food that has passed either of these dates.

    Use by date - the date the food should be used by. ie. the manufacturers or producer deems that after this date has passed the food should not be consumed.

    Hope that helps.

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  • T.M.
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    ok.so i can..

    ok..

    1). So from what i understand.....i can give 2 months notice from RIGHT NOW, if i want to. Ending it 16th June (cos its been breached). Is that right?

    (.. Even though the original 6 month agreement doesnt end till August..).


    2). If (Big IF) i wanted to push on the outstanding rent, that should have been uptill the original end date (August), i can? Or not?


    So I can state the contract has been breached..(via the constant disagreements, not willing to conform, and now...the physical aspects that involved the police (believe it or not!!) yesterday.

    THANKS AGAIN TO EVERY1.

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  • dazalock
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    Tsk, only parents should be LL's of a HMO. These kids have walked from home where Mum did everything for them, now you are mum. Zero tolerance is what is needed, watch little angels on Telly. you can serve a S21 at any time but you need to give 2 month notice if aout side of the 6month ast, and if within the AST give notice (2 months) that the tenancy will end. Hopefully, a strong stance will shut them up. By pampering to thier every whim, he said i said routines, will show you are a soft touch.

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  • Andy Parker
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    Sorry about last post - I wrote it at the same time as yours.It sounds like your tenants don't want to get on anyway.Good luck.

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  • lawstudent
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    Andy Parker is right. You have no legal obligation to do so, but you should provide at least two fridges, one for food within its sell-by date, the other for older food. Better still would be to have three fridges, the third for food that is not only beyond its sell by date but has slight mould or maggot infestation. House rules must be detailed and form a Schedule to the tenancy agreement. They should include a prohibition on putting food in the wrong category of fridge (eg mouldy food in the past sell-by date but non-mouldy fridge, or fresh food in the mouldy fridge). Tenants should also have to sign a declaration that they use food from all but the non-fresh fridge at their own risk.

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  • Andy Parker
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    Well good luck but I am disappointed you are not going for the second fridge solution.A second-hand fridge would be quite cheap (people often give them away when upgrading) and would keep all happy.

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  • T.M.
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    I have really tried Andy!

    Actually jus read the last one...from Andy..

    Andy..you have helped in the past and im gratefull for your experience.. but check this..

    .

    i have not been going on about rent while this is goin on. Trust me, i even said to them that i want peace between them as opposed to my rent or profit. I said that to them. Peace and a 'happy home' was much more important for me..and them.

    I offered to buy them containers..no charge.

    I offered to sort the washing bowls etc..cos they were at each others throats..so i offered that i would do this if they promised to clean the slate and start all over again as respectfull tenants at the least.

    I even offered (this time) to move the bin bags that have piled up..explaining tht it was all because of this break down..and that they would hopefully sort it, move on..and do these jobs next time.

    and finally..believe me...i purchased a new fridge freezer for them ( because i felt the old one was too small...they never asked me to at all) and placed that there only couple days before!!

    So...i have really really tried to make them work it out. Honestlly the last thing ive been doing or even thought about is demanding rent or threating them. Although..i too am now seeing what others have suggested here and its making sense also!!

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  • T.M.
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    whoa..

    Thank you guys n girls for your information and suggestions.

    I really find it usefull. And agree that these 3 adults are behaving like this! Its amazing actually. Believe it or not, its actually got police involved now! so no doubt i will hear about this later on a bit, (hr or two)!!
    I mean its becoming physical between them now, so i just heard.!

    Of course its last thing i want and have asked for peacfull solutions, communication, even just notes to each other at the very very least!

    But ur suggestions are helpfull .

    Ok..if was to impose the rules via "rules in communal area" poster or something, and these were breached....i can serve a section 21 (which i have never done so far as still new to this).

    Some of you state that no reason need be given other than the Breach of Terms etc......


    ..?...My question then is ..this s21..does it still have to go by the '2 months' notice of eviction period? Or can i state a lesser moving out period?

    ...?.....Going by the start dates of contract to the end (all are 6 months contracts on different individual dates for all 3 tenants) Or not? .. i mean..

    ..i mean...one tenant start date was 23.02.05..(for 6 months)...so end date would be 22.08.05 (is that right ?) So Could i serve s21 now ?..or not until 2 months before end (making it 22.06.05) ?

    I hope it makes sense!


    I really appreciate your help and experience. Each person. Many thanks people.
    T.M.

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  • Andy Parker
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    I think you should provide a separate fridge for older food.This food is often cheaper in the supermarkets and you should show some sensitivity towards the financial situation of your tenants (which you are making worse by demanding rent).Impecunity should not be punished.

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  • dazalock
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    The whole point is that you have a common area, you have a number of people with differing habits and varying levels of hygiene. If you dont want a WWF match going on, make some house rules and ensure everyone knows that these are there for everyones safety and enjoyment of the common areas. Anyone blantantly going against these and getting on everyone else's nerves, S21 no questions asked. Along with the Barrack room layers

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  • bobber
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    [QUOTE=dazalock]The easiest and safest way in this instance is to say "no food to be stored in common areas where the use by date has passed" there can be no misinterperatation of that, QUOTE]

    It would be a daft rule that would be applicable to food bought in a supermarket, Butchers dont put sell by dates on, Fishmongers dont put sell by dates on, Greengrocers dont put sell by dates on. What would you do? add a rule saying no fresh vegetables or fruits unless they are supermarket Prepacked and dated!

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