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    hi, i did sub rent without my landlord permission. and i have prob with tenant. so i told landlord i did sub rent. and he said to me move out. so i gave all tenant a notice to move out. but one of tenant threaten me like ( if i report u, u can go to jail for 1 year and u get a fine as well. u have kids and wife. think carefuly. and he ask me money. if u give money, i will keep quiet. i will find a nice place with that money and i will move out. so i recorded what he said to me in my mobie phone. i think he did to me blackmail. what can i do this problem? if i go to solicitor, he get punishment in court? please ...

  • #2
    Originally posted by jonny2023 View Post
    hi, i did sub rent without my landlord permission. and i have prob with tenant. so i told landlord i did sub rent. and he said to me move out. so i gave all tenant a notice to move out. but one of tenant threaten me like ( if i report u, u can go to jail for 1 year and u get a fine as well. u have kids and wife. think carefuly. and he ask me money. if u give money, i will keep quiet. i will find a nice place with that money and i will move out. so i recorded what he said to me in my mobie phone. i think he did to me blackmail. what can i do this problem? if i go to solicitor, he get punishment in court? please ...
    It is not a criminal offence to sublet a property even without your LL's permission, so I think your subtenant's threat is empty.

    Please clarify: are you still living in the property or not?

    Does your LL want you to move out, or your subtenant?
    'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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    • #3
      I think the threat is more to do with the OP's intimation that the subtenant has been asked to move out.

      Illegal eviction is a criminal offence.

      But MTG's statement is correct, a refusal by the OP to end his tenancy agreement despite the breach is not a criminal offence, the subtenancy being a simple a breach of contract, and not one that would necessarily give rise to a right of termination of the agreement by the LL.

      OP: What problems do you have with your subtenant?

      Have they occupied the property for more than 6 months?

      It may be that you can serve them with a lawful s.8 or s.21 notice.

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      • #4
        So, are you in England/Wales
        Do you live in the same property as your sub-tenant
        Has your landlord given you official notice to leave
        Have you given your sub-tenant official notice to leave
        When did your contract with the landlord start - and for how long
        Did you pay a deposit to the landlord - was it protected in a 'scheme'
        When did your contract with the sub-tenant start - and for how long
        Did your sub-tenent pay you a deposit - was it protected in a 'scheme'

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        • #5
          my situation!!

          i dont live there anymore. i move out long time ago. because we have baby. this flat is next tube station. so i decided to move out and i started to let to each room. and my LL want them move out. so he gave me 2 month notice. and i gave them 2 month notice as well.
          and the prob was HMO lisence.
          actually i dont have HMO. because only 4 people used to live there.
          when one double room was empty, one guy came to c room and ask me his cousin want to stay here for only 3 or 4 month till get a job. so it became 5 people from Nov. and my friend also was looking for a room for 3 month. he is going back his contury at the end of March. so he move in Jan. so it became 6 people for few month.
          and suddenly council officer and police came in the flat.
          they asked how many people live here.
          i think the tenant who did blackmail to me reported.
          he is a trouble maker. he had arguement with every tenant till now. so i had argue with him many times. and one day he talked me about multiple occupancy.
          so i told this prob to my LL. and LL gave me notice to move out. he said this flat is sold as well. so i should give all tenant notice. every tenant understand my situation so they gonna move out. but this guy threaten me and ask money.
          i am so stressed.
          what can i do?
          pls help me!!

          thank u for reply!!!

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          • #6
            You have a very complicated life!

            I'm afraid you are now having to face the consequences of cramming an unsafe number of adults into a property designed for just one family (and presumably drawing quite a lot of rent from them all?)

            Just tell the blackmailer in writing that he must move out and that the authorities already know about the multiple occupancy. Say that if he continues to try to extort money from you, you will report him to the police.
            'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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            • #7
              thank u for reply!
              so is the only way go to solicitor regarding a blackmail?
              blackmail is can be in prison for 3 years.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jonny2023 View Post
                thank u for reply!
                so is the only way go to solicitor regarding a blackmail?
                blackmail is can be in prison for 3 years.
                Well, you could report him to the police but I honestly think that he is just 'lashing out' because he is angry and upset at being asked to move out. Just refuse to give in to his demands for money. If he continues to make them, report him to the police. It will be up to them to prosecute him (if they consider it appropriate), not you. Just stay calm and make it clear that you do not intend to be threatened by him.
                Has someone served him notice or not?
                'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                • #9
                  i asked him many time to move out from 1 years ago.
                  i wanted to do legal way. so i sent him notice by registerd post. in case he deny the notice, i made a proof.
                  and i have a record what he said to me as well.


                  thank u !!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jonny2023 View Post
                    i asked him many time to move out from 1 years ago.
                    i wanted to do legal way. so i sent him notice by registerd post. in case he deny the notice, i made a proof.
                    and i have a record what he said to me as well.


                    thank u !!
                    Legal notice is either under section 8 or section 21 of the Housing Act 1988. There is specific information that you must give. Is this the notice you gave? Is this the notice your landlord gave you? Any other kind of notice will not be enough.

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                    • #11
                      i downloaded the form of notice. and i posted him.
                      and i am waiting the notice from my LL.
                      so i think i did legal way to give a notice 2months.

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                      • #12
                        That sounds good. It also means that you are not in any immediate danger of your landlord throwing you out.

                        So we can check that the form you sent is right, can you tell us:

                        was it a section 21(1)b form or a section 21(4)a form.

                        When did your subtenant move in

                        Did he pay monthly

                        When did his contract end

                        When did you post the s21 to him

                        What dates were on the s21.

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                        • #13
                          i dont remember it. so ive just checked now. and it was not a uk notice form. it is for australian. i didnt check properly. because i was in hurry to give him notice by post. and his contract finished long times ago. so i told him move out many times. and he pay by monthly.
                          i went council to ask about this and they said i need a written notice to him 2 months. so i posted today. he might get 2mrw.

                          but i want know he threaten me and asked money for keep quiet and move out.
                          if i sue him in this situation, can i win?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jonny2023 View Post
                            i dont remember it. so ive just checked now. and it was not a uk notice form. it is for australian. i didnt check properly.
                            This sounds pretty stupid. Assuming you're not a troll.

                            but i want know he threaten me and asked money for keep quiet and move out.
                            if i sue him in this situation, can i win?
                            The best thing to do is tell the truth to everyone. Don't let yourself get blackmailed over something like this. It's not a criminal offence. And don't even think about sueing the tenant when you haven't a clue what you've done. Get legal advice.

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                            • #15
                              Johnny 2023 I'm livid just reading this post. I know my comments won't be constructive but I'm so annoyed that you sublet a property to make money for yourself. It's people like you that give tenants an increasingly bad name! To be honest I'm glad your going through these problems and hope that this teaches you a lesson and puts you off doing this again!

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