I purchased an auction property in a high rise block in London, I am now the legal owner however the only keys were with the previous tenant who's tenancy agreement expired several months ago, has stopped paying rent and does not reply to phone calles or letters. Am I intiltled to assume the property is empty and therefore employ a locksmith to change the locks and regain possession. And then if it transpires that there is evidence of occupation put a notice on the front of the door for the intruder to contact me to recover their possessions.
Knock knock who's there?
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So, why didn’t you reap the benefit of your solicitor’s knowledge before deciding to buy?
What do you ultimately want?- To meet your tenant?
- To get a copy of the keys?
- To find out what your property looks like?
- To receive rent from the tenant?
- To learn your tenant's rights?
- To learn your rights as a landlord?
- To evict the tenant?
- To learn a new knock knock joke?
- A combination of the above?
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Originally posted by zarnticolz View PostI purchased an auction property in a high rise block in London, I am now the legal owner however the only keys were with the previous tenant who's tenancy agreement expired several months ago, has stopped paying rent and does not reply to phone calles or letters. Am I intiltled to assume the property is empty and therefore employ a locksmith to change the locks and regain possession. And then if it transpires that there is evidence of occupation put a notice on the front of the door for the intruder to contact me to recover their possessions.
In your shoes, I would be very concerned had my solicitor not made it clear whether the property was being bought tenanted or with vacant possession. Did you use a solicitor for the conveyancing or not? What does the sale contract say?'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
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omg I'm under attack! why didnt you .. you should have .. any more?
Like I said as far as I am concerned there is no one in the flat because no one is answering phone or letters or physical knocking on the door, so I want to get a locksmith and change the locks which I think is 'peacefully entering the property', so is therefor legal.
I have been to the property but no one answers, I have delivered a letter from my solicitor, but no answer to that, I only used a solicitor after the sale, I believed the property had a tenant who was paying rent, ok I'm green so please dont be mean...
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Originally posted by zarnticolz View Postomg I'm under attack! why didnt you .. you should have .. any more?
Like I said as far as I am concerned there is no one in the flat because no one is answering phone or letters or physical knocking on the door, so I want to get a locksmith and change the locks which I think is 'peacefully entering the property', so is therefor legal.
You obviously know nothing about Landlord and Tenant law. If you do as you propose, you could well find yourself arrested for illegal eviction which is a criminal offence. It might be your porperty, but it is the tenant's home until you have legal right to possess it.
It would appear at present that you do not have a clue whether the T is there or not, or whether her tenancy is ended or not.
The reason you are under attack is because you do know seem to have a clue what you are doing!
Why are you asking our advice if you have decided on a course of action anyway?'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
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Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
It would appear at present that you do not have a clue whether the T is there or not, or whether her tenancy is ended or not.
Originally posted by mind the gap View Post
The reason you are under attack is because you do know seem to have a clue what you are doing!
I am looking for advice, not to to be kicked when I'm down ok
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Originally posted by Poppy View PostYou need to tread carefully when contemplating entering a tenanted property uninvited. I hope this tenant isn’t the type that sets a trap for an unwitting landlord - just waiting to kick off about the Protection From Eviction Act 1977 and entitled to legal aid to boot.
Danger I sense, hmmm!
There is no evidence that the property is tenanted therefore surley it can be presumed empty surley thats logical? What makes you assume there is a tenant in there?
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Because I don’t want to be taken to court accused of unlawful eviction which is a criminal offence, harassment, whatever.
I recommend that you camp out for a week and intercept anyone who enters/exits. If you do not experience a close encounter of the fifth kind, then make a decision whether to call in the locksmith or pick the lock yourself. Other members may have a different approach.
Do you intend to answer post #4?
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Originally posted by zarnticolz View Postwho said it was a her? the tenancy ended months before I bought it
This is a serious question and until you can explain why you think it is ended, we cannot really advise you further. For instance, the fixed term of the original AST might have elapsed yet the tenant may have remained in occupation. That does not mean the tenancy has ended. The original AST may not have ended, even though she might have vacatated (you do not know yet if that is the case), in which case it obviously hasn't ended yet unless T agreed a surrender with original LL.'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
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mind the gap I dont know why you keep saying the tenant was a she I never mentioned the gender of the individual
the ast ended 6 months before I purchased the property, I have the document to show that, rent was paid sporadically after that for a few more months then stopped altogether suddenly, as far as things are going it seems to me the only way to find out if there is someone in there or not is to get a locksmith and get in there plus no one knows if there is someone in there injured or dead sorry to be so blunt but it happens, if there is no answer from the property I have to think of the worst case scenario and find out what is going on.
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Originally posted by zarnticolz View Postmind the gap I dont know why you keep saying the tenant was a she I never mentioned the gender of the individual
Originally posted by zarnticolz View Postthe ast ended 6 months before I purchased the property, I have the document to show that, rent was paid sporadically after that for a few more months then stopped altogether suddenly,
Originally posted by zarnticolz View Postas far as things are going it seems to me the only way to find out if there is someone in there or not is to get a locksmith and get in there plus no one knows if there is someone in there injured or dead sorry to be so blunt but it happens, if there is no answer from the property I have to think of the worst case scenario and find out what is going on.'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
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