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    New letting 100 miles away but problems with landlords

    Can someone give me some advice?

    Moved in end of August but as I get Income Support and was starting a uni course and new LL contract started 1st I moved out 2 weeks early of my old contract but as I got some LHA run on they paid for that 2 weeks but payment wasnt due to clear till tommorow.

    My new LL came round today to move in a new tenant and said old landlord has contacted them and said I did a runner and ran up massive debts to many people(I have no debts apart from 2 overdrafts!) and to be careful etc.

    When I moved to new place I gradually moved stuff from old place since it was over a hundred miles away and I dont have a car so moved it bit by bit on the train and sent the bigger things by courier, I came back to get the last of my possessions which included a pc monitor, a games console, a tv and dvd recorder to find locks changed and the LL wasnt contactable.

    The problem is that when I moved to new place I gave landlord the last of my overdraft which was enough to cover deposit and 2 weeks rent so owe him a months advance rent which I keep putting off so they think old landlord may be telling truth especially since I have loads of expensive stuff in my room like a PC, laptop and PS3 etc when what happened is my loan isnt through and may not be through for a month and I cannot increase my overdraft.

    Isnt the old landlord harassing me?

    Will add some more info soon.

    #2
    Originally posted by saf
    worried student, you've come on to a site called 'landlord zone' and you're trying to find a way to claim your landlord is harassing you?

    wow, is that what they teach you in uni these days?... why don't you concentrate on paying your landlord?

    most landlords work really hard to get to where they are, they spend a fortune on obtaining their properties with the hope they'll rent them to decent people who will look after them. is it the landlords fault you haven't paid... or is it yours'?

    i'm not very sympathetic to your situation to be honest as you can see. if he has let you a decent, clean and safe home, he's obviously trying hard to please you in the first place. do forgive him if he's getting a little frustrated with you for not paying what you said you would... after all he can't go to the bank and say 'sorry i can't pay you this month, my tenant said i shouldn't harass her for the rent so if you don't mind can i pay you when she decides to pay me?'

    get a grip of your self girl! the university of life is what you should be concentrating on.
    Obvious troll obviously.

    I cant pay till my loan comes in, but that doesnt mean I am not trying to find methods to pay like selling old dvds, trying to sell pc and my tv etc and have a hardship interview at uni in morning and have applied for part time jobs.

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      #3
      Well I suppose you have done all you can so far, but at the end of the day, if a tenant cannot pay their rent its either because they have bitten off more than they can chew or they really have fallen on hard times or its a scam. Bet your new landlord is thinking the third option right now. You need to talk to your new landlord and get a plan sorted.

      Other than that, I quite agreed with Saf. I have bills to pay, and if my tenants dont pay me, then I cannot pay those bills which will probably result in me being harassed as my phone, electricity, gas, mobile etc, get cut off!! Now tell me why I should suffer that just cos tenant cannot pay rent that is lawfully due.

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        #4
        I believe that some students have not received their loan on time - is this the case in your instance? If so, the Student Loan Company has set a chain off :

        Delaying your loan payment = delaying rent payment = possibly delaying LL's bills payment

        If your LL is relying upon your rent as much as you are relying on your student loan it's easy to see how he might not be too sympathetic - how much sympathy do you have for SLC right now?

        Why don't you get written confirmation form SLC that your loan payment has been delayed, apologise profusely to LL and send him a copy of the letter from SLC? It's out of your hands at the moment, you will just have to sit and wait for the loan to come through - keep your LL in the loop though - if he doesn't know he's going to have to wait another month for the money it's likely to really sour the relationship.

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          #5
          Worriedstudent.

          Isnt the old landlord harassing me?
          Yes.

          Contact CaB or Shelter for sensible advice
          http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/cabdir.ihtml

          http://england.shelter.org.uk/ or 0808 800 4444 (Both are charities & you may need to be patient).

          Sorry to hear your story, hope it gets sorted, I'm sure you'll be wise enough to know which posts are worth considering..

          Stealing someone else's property normally results in a visit to the Police to report a crime. That's what I'd do if my property was kept from me...
          Might be worth reading this
          http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/uncollected_goods.htm


          Did you give your old LL a formal notice to quit & did he acknowledge it?

          Mrs Jones is absolutely right,,

          Cheers!

          Lodger
          I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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            #6
            I wrote the old LL a letter because I was also advised by local housing advice/welfare rights sort of place that I send him a letter asking him to leave contract 2 weeks due to being issues that I dont want to get into here and he agreed in writing he now claims the contract is still valid and I left early and it doesnt run out till December!

            I even have my rent book saying that rent was paid up to date etc.

            I believe he has stolen my post as when I was due to leave my last girocheque went missing, and he told new LL that I have strings of debts(my credit card bills are late so got reminder letters and letters charging fees thats about it) and my overdraft as I say and he claims I have £1300 available to me in the bank and thats my overdraft limit(that is maxed out) so how would he know what my overdraft limit is.

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              #7
              If your LL has indeed been interfered with your post, you need to contact the Post Office and ask what you should do about it. I understand that interfering with Royal Mail is a serious offence and I think this LL needs to be taught a lesson.

              Postal Services Act 2000

              "84 Interfering with the mail: general (1) A person commits an offence if, without reasonable excuse, he—
              (a) intentionally delays or opens a postal packet in the course of its transmission by post, or
              (b) intentionally opens a mail-bag.
              (2) Subsections (2) to (5) of section 83 apply to subsection (1) above as they apply to subsection (1) of that section.
              (3) A person commits an offence if, intending to act to a person’s detriment and without reasonable excuse, he opens a postal packet which he knows or reasonably suspects has been incorrectly delivered to him.
              (4) Subsections (2) and (3) of section 83 (so far as they relate to the opening of postal packets) apply to subsection (3) above as they apply to subsection (1) of that section.
              (5) A person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (3) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both."
              Mrs Jones
              I am not an expert - my posts are my opinion and should not be taken as fact!!

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                #8
                I don't think I'd bother Mrs J. Unless the OP can prove he "stole" the giro - (was it cashed, by whom) I doubt that anyone is going to be interested.
                Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                  #9
                  You're probably right, but I would be concerned if someone had accessed my bank statements and credit card details etc. As you say, unless he actually cashed the giro, there is probably not much point in pursuing it.

                  If not done already, probably a good idea to have mail forwarded by the Post Office.
                  Mrs Jones
                  I am not an expert - my posts are my opinion and should not be taken as fact!!

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                    #10
                    [QUOTE=davidjohnbutton;162088Other than that, I quite agreed with Saf. I have bills to pay, and if my tenants dont pay me, then I cannot pay those bills which will probably result in me being harassed as my phone, electricity, gas, mobile etc, get cut off!! Now tell me why I should suffer that just cos tenant cannot pay rent that is lawfully due.[/QUOTE]

                    You might agree with the sentiments, and as a LL so do I, but it was the nasty way he put it - most unhelpful!!
                    Mrs Jones
                    I am not an expert - my posts are my opinion and should not be taken as fact!!

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                      #11
                      Ok another update I am getting harassing phone calls from the landlord and "anonymous" calls that leave messages saying to watch my back, and others from landlord saying he has family in the area who are coming round today to collect my rent and if I ignore them or dont pay they will cause trouble! and the old LL claims I am commiting fraud and is reporting me to police(the irony of that statement after he is harrassing me) and phone calls from his mates who work from him(LL owns a agency and owns all the flats they run) saying I better pay them the cash I owe or else etc.

                      They are proper bullies as they illegally evicted people who lived in same block in different flats at different points for months of back rent and is treating me like I owe thousands(I owe 2 weeks rent which I have in bank ready to pay) and more irony is that if he never harassed me it would of been paid yesterday!

                      I tried contacting the local police station where I live now(police have a bad rep in this area and rightly so) and they just said it was a civil matter and they didnt see the problem as the landlord is allowed to keep my stuff in case I dont give him the cash I owe(I know the police are wrong about this) and even though I said I had threatening phone calls and new LL has been bothered the police pretty much shrugged shoulders and said just pay him and arrange a time to collect stuff he has of mine!

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                        #12
                        Worriedstudent, sorry to hear this. LL behaviour is disgraceful!

                        Think you should contact Cab and/or Shelter: As both are charities & the demand for them high right now you may need to be patient...

                        have a look at Shelter's advice here..
                        http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_ad..._as_harassment

                        Police I think are being hasty: I'd go back and/or write/email them with details of the threat of illegal eviction (which I thought was a criminal offence - maybe ask the Police if it is criminal??). Shelter say it is Criminal
                        http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_ad...legal_eviction
                        - so maybe go back & tell them you are being threatened with a criminal act: Ask them what they'd do if someone threatened some other criminal act (say to kill you) and ask why they won't take action on this. However you need them on your side if anything does happen so be nice to them, as I am sure you will be...

                        Also contact your local council housing dept. and report this dodgy Landlord - and that you maybe be "imminently homeless"

                        Hope it gets sorted: You have my sympathy & support, albeit I can't do much.

                        Cheers!

                        Lodger

                        CaB
                        http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

                        Shelter
                        http://england.shelter.org.uk/
                        0808 800 4444
                        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
                          Worriedstudent, sorry to hear this. LL behaviour is disgraceful!

                          Think you should contact Cab and/or Shelter: As both are charities & the demand for them high right now you may need to be patient...

                          have a look at Shelter's advice here..
                          http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_ad..._as_harassment

                          Police I think are being hasty: I'd go back and/or write/email them with details of the threat of illegal eviction (which I thought was a criminal offence - maybe ask the Police if it is criminal??). Shelter say it is Criminal
                          http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_ad...legal_eviction
                          - so maybe go back & tell them you are being threatened with a criminal act: Ask them what they'd do if someone threatened some other criminal act (say to kill you) and ask why they won't take action on this. However you need them on your side if anything does happen so be nice to them, as I am sure you will be...

                          Also contact your local council housing dept. and report this dodgy Landlord - and that you maybe be "imminently homeless"

                          Hope it gets sorted: You have my sympathy & support, albeit I can't do much.

                          Cheers!

                          Lodger

                          CaB
                          http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

                          Shelter
                          http://england.shelter.org.uk/
                          0808 800 4444

                          Thanks, I tried ringing shelter earlier and they told me to ring back later as busy.

                          Its just the local police, I have moved back down to near my home town and in my experience the local force are useless, their has been news reports of local off duty policemen crashing cars drunk and speeding, people let off as wrongfully arrested and many more bad things whereas the police at the last town I lived were friendly, when I was attacked in the street before they came straight round and were sympathetic, and when I had a similar problem a few years back they phoned landlord and said if he bothered me again he would be arrested as he needed a court order to evict me and wasnt allowed in the property so its just the local force being bad as usual.

                          I have the voicemails of the landlord threatening in a nasty tone of voice to send round his family, to sell my stuff, to report me to benefits and police, and 2 different staff members telling me to pay cash I owe or else etc.

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                            #14
                            Whilst I acknowledge your comments about the Police some of them (? most of them?) are decent and the Police Service as a whole we have to work with (I have no connection with them..). If you can bear it try going back to them.

                            Re. the threatening messages if you can copy them so they could be played back to the council/a-court that would help, failing that get a witness to listen to them & sign a transcript of what was said - that should stand up in court as some sort of evidence.

                            Scum like this we really don't want...

                            Whatever else, don't let the ****ards get you down. Probably they are just trying to frighten you, but take care!

                            Best wishes

                            Lodger
                            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                              #15
                              Hi another update, the landlord has found out the landline number of the house(probably easy since he knows the address) and phones anonimously, it must be him because the phone line has only been activated a few days and is in a flatmate who has just moved in who has only given the number to her parents plus the fact that my mobile is recieving anon calls too is suspicious.

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