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    Hi All,

    Please could you help with the following financial matter

    I have installed and paid for a dehumidifier to solve a damp problem in one of my houses, it seems to have done the trick.

    The tenants are now asking for money as a way of compensation for having to run it.

    Am I obliged to pay any contribution or all of the electricity for this? (forgetting good will for a second). Is there any legalities involved?

    Thanks in Advance

    James
    I Take Life with a Pinch of Salt.… A Wedge of Lime, and a Shot of Tequila.... Therefore any information given in this post is based on my own experiences as a landlord. It is NOT legal advice.

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    As there was no obligation on you to supply it, why would its running costs be payable by you?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by jeffrey View Post
      As there was no obligation on you to supply it, why would its running costs be payable by you?
      Because it was supplied by me to remedy the problem in the house as I was getting grief by the couple in the property about their possessions growing mould.
      I Take Life with a Pinch of Salt.… A Wedge of Lime, and a Shot of Tequila.... Therefore any information given in this post is based on my own experiences as a landlord. It is NOT legal advice.

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      • #4
        They normally cost a couple of pence an hour to run, I tend to give the tenants the money back if the cause of the damp is my fault....eg drying out of property after being plastered ect.
        If the fault lies with the tenant, eg not leaving a window open while having a bath ect, then they should pay.

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        • #5
          Not a legal point of view, just my opinion.

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          • #6
            Thanks Izzy, the fault seems to be with the property as I did not find out it had damp until the previous tenants moved out and said "oh by the way, its a bit damp". So I immediately got one, they've had it a few months now
            I Take Life with a Pinch of Salt.… A Wedge of Lime, and a Shot of Tequila.... Therefore any information given in this post is based on my own experiences as a landlord. It is NOT legal advice.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Izzycam View Post
              Not a legal point of view, just my opinion.
              I agree. The cause of the excess humidity should determine who pays for its remedy.
              'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Landlord007 View Post
                Thanks Izzy, the fault seems to be with the property as I did not find out it had damp until the previous tenants moved out and said "oh by the way, its a bit damp". So I immediately got one, they've had it a few months now
                So, if as it appears, the dehumidifier is a bodge to solve a defect with the building (which clearly IS your responsibility) why should the tenants have to pay for the cost (when the proper solution is presumably for you to shell out on repairs)?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ericthelobster View Post
                  So, if as it appears, the dehumidifier is a bodge to solve a defect with the building (which clearly IS your responsibility) why should the tenants have to pay for the cost (when the proper solution is presumably for you to shell out on repairs)?
                  A little harsh, Eric?

                  If the damp only appeared during the previous tenancy and he was only notified at the very end, it could well have been caused by the previous tenants' lifestyle, rather than by any defect in the building...until the truth is known, it's probably unhelpful to apportion blame. Ll has been responsible, and remedied the problem. And as Izzycam says, humidifiers don't cost that much to run anyway.
                  'Pause you who read this, and think for a moment of the long chain of iron or gold, of thorns or flowers, that would never have bound you, but for the formation fo the first link on one memorable day'. Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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                  • #10
                    Landlord007, Have you employed a surveyor or another suitably qualified person to diagnose the problem and provide a report? If not, why not? You say the dehumidifier has done the trick, but how can you be sure if you are not aware of the cause in the first place.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Landlord007 View Post
                      Hi All,

                      Please could you help with the following financial matter

                      I have installed and paid for a dehumidifier to solve a damp problem in one of my houses, it seems to have done the trick.

                      The tenants are now asking for money as a way of compensation for having to run it.

                      Am I obliged to pay any contribution or all of the electricity for this? (forgetting good will for a second). Is there any legalities involved?

                      Thanks in Advance

                      James
                      Hi,

                      Before you start to worry, work out how much the unit costs to run. The ones I'm familiar with are a penny or two an hour, so £5 or £10 a month even with very heavy use.

                      And I agree with the earlier comment about the cause of the dampness. Do you know what it was?

                      Preston

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Preston View Post
                        Hi,

                        Before you start to worry, work out how much the unit costs to run. The ones I'm familiar with are a penny or two an hour, so £5 or £10 a month even with very heavy use.

                        And I agree with the earlier comment about the cause of the dampness. Do you know what it was?

                        Preston
                        Having been running drying out equipment since being flooded could I just ask where you are getting these figures from as received my electric bill yesterday £89.43 for the last month compared with preflood usage on average £28 - £32! Thats not just pence as has been put and as a tenant I am passing this onto the LL as it was equipmenet installed by their contractors and in my opinion they put it in for the sake of their property so they can pay for the running of it.

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                        • #13
                          Condensation is a constant problem with retarded tenants.

                          I have a couple in a flat who have not opened a curtain let alone a window in the 7 mths that they have been there ...the smell is disgraceful and has seeped out into the communal hallway which is makinf letting of the flat above extrememly difficult.
                          The residents are a Dr and a nurse. the flat is now a complete pigsty (was completetly redecorated immediately pror to occ) the walls are green and black and quite frankly it is a health hazard.(The bathroom is like a DR Who set) I have owned the prop for 8 years and had NO previous problems. All walls have been checked for penetrating/rising and fault lies directly with T lifestyle.

                          However trying to convince the T of this has fallen on very deaf ears, the response being that clearly the fault lies with the prop as they have lived this lifestyle in many other props with no similar problems.

                          I have had a damp surveyor in who has also confirmed the above - T still does not accept position, I have informed that unless they clean up and start opening windows and curtains they will be looking at a very expensive redec invoice.
                          They assure me that the windows and curtains are opened daily, this is utter BS as house is 80 yds from my office and i pass it at least 4 times a day.

                          They also have a cat in the prop against AST terms which has clawed one of the carpets to bits(i havent passed comment on this yet !)

                          It astounds me that someone with a medical background can:
                          a) live in such squalor
                          b) not understand the basics of bacterial growth

                          This is the worst case of condensation i have ever seen and the most stubborn and unintelligent attitude towards the problem by a tenant ever.

                          The Rodent
                          A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
                          W.Churchill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wickerman
                            Retarded tenants?

                            Your attitude stinks.

                            The flat stinks due to the stinking attitude displayed by T.
                            Who has been advised of simple proceedure to eradicate problem on many occassions over past 6 mths. There is no problem with the building now or on past 8 years.

                            What do you do with someone who refuses to open curtains and windows ?

                            Originally posted by Wickerman
                            The one paying your mortgage for you?
                            They pay the rent to live in a very nice flat with Jacuzzi, I pay the mortgage.
                            To remedy the problem as is, will to date cost around £1000 (they are too lazy to even clean pvc window cills which are also daark green).
                            I am also in a situation where i cannot let flat above due to rank smell eminating from GGF.

                            Retarded attitude ? Yes - WHY ?
                            1. It is an unhealthy atmoshere to live in
                            2. They are having to throw mouldy clothes away
                            3. They are creating expense for themselves to rectify damage
                            4. They have 5 months to run on AST and if damage not attended very soon costs will esculate
                            5. God Knows what visitors and friends think of their approach to hygene


                            So Wickerman, what do you propose i do ?

                            The Rodent
                            A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
                            W.Churchill

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                            • #15
                              Have any of you seen that programme,"How clean is your house".
                              In it normally respectable people from all walks of life, an accountant, teacher, lord ect, show a complete lack of ability when it comes to keeping a home hygenic and clean.
                              In our line of work, we often come across these types, and we are expected to bail them out (get dehumidifiers, employ surveyers to assess situations,redecorate properties.)
                              All because they are, dare I say pigs!

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