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    #16
    I couldn't think what an economy 7 button was, so I googled: https://forum.ovoenergy.com/smart-me...oes-it-do-1758

    This is only for testing the storage heaters. It's not meant to be used every day.
    To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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      #17
      I have taken over management of the flat and, whereas I thought she was an ideal tenant always paying the rent on time, I have now realised that the lettings agent had kept the rent down to what she could afford and, no doubt, saving himself some hassle. She can't afford the electric heating on such a large flat and so that will need to be sorted out too!

      Maybe I shouldn't have replaced the night storage heaters but bought electric radiators instead.

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        #18
        Looking back at my thread, this reply might explain why your tenant is having problems:

        Originally posted by Neelix View Post
        just wait until you have to fit LOT20 compliant storage heaters …..tenants turn them off, then on, and it takes them a few days to get running again properly
        If your tenant lets the electricity go off when she runs out of credit, do the fancy new storage heaters lose all their settings?

        Edit: Also the immersion timer, now I think of it.
        To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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          #19
          Originally posted by NaomiB View Post

          Maybe I shouldn't have replaced the night storage heaters but bought electric radiators instead.
          That would crucify you on the EPC rating, so don't do that.
          To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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            #20
            Just for info. This is on the edf website "The off-peak electricity times for your E7 meter will vary depending on where you live and who your provider is. Usually you get your seven hours of off-peak electricity sometime between 11pm and 8am. This might be split up into chunks of time. You can contact your supplier to find out your exact Economy 7 off-peak electricity hours."

            and also "E7 meters won't normally adjust themselves for when the clocks go forward or back. This means your off-peak times could be different between British Summer Time (BST, when clocks go forward) and Greenwich Mean Time (GMT, when clocks go back). Make sure you ask your supplier how this will impact you."

            I tend to find these things quite interesting - which is just as well!

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              #21
              Originally posted by NaomiB View Post
              I tend to find these things quite interesting - which is just as well!
              What I've found over and over is that tenants don't find this kind of thing interesting and, unless they've grown up with storage heaters, won't spend the time to get the right tariff and synchronise the timers with the cheap rate periods.

              Most people are used to radiators which you switch on when you want heat and then deliver the heat on demand.
              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                #22
                Originally posted by JK0 View Post
                Looking back at my thread, this reply might explain why your tenant is having problems:



                If your tenant lets the electricity go off when she runs out of credit, do the fancy new storage heaters lose all their settings?

                Edit: Also the immersion timer, now I think of it.
                i think the answer to some of these products is that they do remember their settings



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                  #23
                  Originally posted by JK0 View Post

                  That would crucify you on the EPC rating, so don't do that.
                  Agree totally but when i had my storage heaters the tenants hated them, they worked full time and the way the storage heaters worked simply did not suit their lifestyle, so i got the very nasty (for EPC ratings) panel radiators, timers and app based fancy stuff and all..... they love them, they get instant heat when they want it and then turn them off after around an hour and the place stays warm..... this is what THEY wanted, it is THEIR home.

                  This is why the current EPC system is potty, they recommended that to increase the EPC rating that i fit GCH !!! The exact fossil fuel heating system that the govt wants to get rid of, the whole bloody system is crazy.

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                    #24
                    This is a bit lost on me.

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                      #25
                      There's a very good reason they're called NIGHT storage heaters.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Hudson01 View Post

                        This is why the current EPC system is potty, they recommended that to increase the EPC rating that i fit GCH !!! The exact fossil fuel heating system that the govt wants to get rid of, the whole bloody system is crazy.
                        EPCs are based on cost, so gas is good. They were never meant to be used as they are and there is a suggestion that we will move to EIR eventually (remember the carbon score on early EPCs?). At this point the score for gas should go down & for electricity should go up, so all your properties that are EPC C with GCH will now drop so you can't rent them and all the electric properties that were sold because they were EPC D will go up to EPC C but its too late - they have all been sold.

                        Anyone else think the Govt don't know what they are doing?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by NaomiB View Post
                          This is a bit lost on me.
                          Sounds like they are recovering a debt from your tenant, doesn't it?
                          To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by NaomiB View Post
                            This is a bit lost on me.
                            Wow..... that looks crazy. I would have an electrician look at it and see if he or she can work it out, mine were not that complicated.

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                              #29
                              If the E7 is activating at 8am then all the power for the next 6 or 7 hours will be charged at the lower E7 rate

                              This also means storage heaters and immersion heaters will be operating during this time too - and hence the high consumption of electricity

                              Lets ignore the actual costs how many kwh's are being used each week on the 24 x 7 supply and the E7 supply?

                              Also could you re- upload the photo of the fuseboard on its own?

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                                #30
                                People who have n't lived with Storage Heaters don't understand them.

                                If they come during the day (and it may be good for your tenant who is at home). They may underheat during the day (where the sun is warming the planet). It may be 15C during the day but at night it is 4C. It means the storage heaters don't have enough store heat.

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