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  • Lesney Park
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    I wouldn't have too much of a problem with a register, so long as it wasn't a barely hidden stealth tax (a la selective licensing local authority charges). If it was tied to some basic training, again can't see a huge downside with that?

    If as landlordman suggests it came with the "stick" of penalties and rent repayment orders tenants and public bodies alike would be very incentivised indeed to shop the rogue landlords - good.

    I'd be happier if the admin went no-where near the council for reasons others have suggested (competency, data security, political conflicts of interest)

    My worry would be that it'd be politicised, or somehow cause unintended problems. A theoretical nightmare tenant makes up loads of (say) mould issues and manages to get you booted off the register as a "rogue". Your whole business is sunk, so there would have to be checks and balances. I don't operate in a selective license area so I'm not 100% on whether my fears are unfounded.

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  • theartfullodger
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    Originally posted by boletus View Post


    "Give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest landlord, I would find something in them to have him hanged"
    -Looney left landlord hating council worker.

    That's a mis-quote of a disputed quote from Cardinal Richelieu see
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu

    Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
    • If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

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  • boletus
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    Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
    I cannot think of any reason a decent landlord would have issue with it.
    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear? LOL

    "Give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest landlord, I would find something in them to have him hanged"
    -Looney left landlord hating council worker.







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  • Hudson01
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    royw - Well said, if only, we have far too many 'hangers-on' and those with a vested interest in doing the very least for the very most.

    Any scheme introduced which will be administered by the local authorities will be an exercise in futility, they will take our money and pocket it, simply another tax on the PRS.

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  • royw
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    They should start by making sure letting agents know what they're doing.
    No register will be free, we will be paying the inflated salaries of yet more pen pushers. The law abiding will pay for it and the rogue landlords will continue to ignore regulations just as they do now. IMO the country would be better off with more 'doers' and far fewer overseers (in all walks of life).

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  • Ted.E.Bear
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    In the EPC consultation there is a suggestion of a national register, at a cost of £30 per property.

    "we are proposing to expand the scope of the current PRS Exemptions Register and redesign it as a property compliance and exemptions database operated by a third-party provider. "
    (Presumably the third-party provider will be one of those that likes to employ ex-civil servants on larger salaries...)

    although it isn't exactly a landlord registry, they acknowledge that it looks like one.

    "Whilst the property compliance and exemptions database proposed here is not a landlord registry, there is a risk of some duplication of functionality between the two systems." (referring to the system in Wales)

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  • jpucng62
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    We also need tenants to educate themselves - the How to Rent guide is so basic and by the time they receive it it is too late. Tenants calling out LLs on EPCs, gas safety, EICRs would encourage LLs to be compliant and we could identify tenants who are complicit in poor standards in return for cheap rent, which I believe is part of the problem with rogue LLs.

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  • Section20z
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?
    And Newham , Hackney, Waltham Forest , Thanet , or every authority I let in and 46 other areas.
    https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/04...ences-in-2020/

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  • Hudson01
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    I spotted an article today about the government looking at compulsory landlord registration ............ just another nail to push me further down the road to selling up, the feckless will simply ignore it and have no comeback due to the councils being bone idle and incompetent and any of the fees we pay them will go into general council funds, aka bigger pay rises for hard working CEO's or more refurbishment to the town halls.

    I see a big reduction in the PRS over the next 5-10 years.

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  • theartfullodger
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    IMHO any landlord would be daft not to get trained: I know this as I didn't bother when I started, expensive, painful, complex, long-drawn out clusterf*ck. of my stupidity! Oh the hubris!

    Nobody (I hope..) would now question drivers having to be on a central register (DVLA database of licences) or being required to have qualifications (pass driving test). Albeit my Dad never did a driving test (born 1903 ) - and it showed.

    But IMHO the 1st priority is getting agents rather more controlled: Currently to be a lettings agent in England requires no training, no qualifications, no criminal records check: The whole office could be staffed by ex-prisoners on early release from their sentences for GBH & Fraud at Brixton Prison: Bonkers!

    Of course there should be a central register of landlords available to all to check based on property or landlord details. .And some sort of qualifications.

    I am already on a register - Scotland (I am also landlord in England): -prices here..
    https://www.landlordregistrationscot...es-information
    - Per 3-years, £67/council then £15 / property, plus various discounts: HMO's are free!
    - access to the register is free to anyone: As is (different system & laws) the records of tribunal (rather than court now) decisions on landlords, agents, tenants(!).

    Rather than qualifications, I had to declare that I was a "Fit & Proper person" - how I passed, F K. No doubt that will get tightened up soon.

    Lets get agents done first, I suggest: Then Landlords: Then tenants..... (oh yes, tenants...)

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  • landlord-man
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?

    Local authority fines are mostly ring fenced already, the barrier isn't the penalty it's the cost of enforcement through the courts. It's difficult to get a prosecution signed off because it's costly and there's always a chance it won't succeed.
    lol I wouldnt know as not in Wales

    I think a mandatory £10,000 fine (ie nice little earner) going to the Local Authority for a non-registered landlord would have every local authority in the Country checking adverts against databases etc and they'd be falling over themselves to book court time lol

    I cannot think of any reason a decent landlord would have issue with it.

    Instead, we have a system where LAs seem to focus on dealing with relatively minor issues where the whiff of a legal threat usually gets results.

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
    Registration Number (landlord or agent) required to advertise a property (same as EPC requirement) and to register a Deposit.
    Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?

    Local authority fines are mostly ring fenced already, the barrier isn't the penalty it's the cost of enforcement through the courts. It's difficult to get a prosecution signed off because it's costly and there's always a chance it won't succeed.

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  • AlexR
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    Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
    No registration = mandatory £10,000 penalty (into ring-fenced LA housing enforcement) and mandatory repayment of all rental monies paid.
    I have spoken to Local Authorities who cannot afford, or do not have the staff to take action against landlords. This one action would give the Local Authorities the funds and incentive to enforce the law.



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  • landlord-man
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    Update - sorry, just realised poll can only choose 1 option - so cant select training and registration - cannot edit it now

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  • landlord-man
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    Perhaps if Letting Agents were regulated in a similar way, those accidental landlords unwilling or unable to conform would be forced to use a "professional" to manage their property.

    Registration Number (landlord or agent) required to advertise a property (same as EPC requirement) and to register a Deposit.

    Basically, further educate Tenants (how to rent booklet) to find responsible Landlords while making it easier to identify the rogue ones.

    No registration = mandatory £10,000 penalty (into ring-fenced LA housing enforcement) and mandatory repayment of all rental monies paid.

    Local Authorities (and Tenants) can simply view property advert and match reg number displayed with national database.

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