Compulsory Landlord Training & Registration

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Compulsory Landlord Training & Registration

    Compulsory Landlord Training & Registration

    Sadly, the more and more time I spend on this forum, the more I'm coming round to the idea.

    NRLA training is straight-forward and very cheap, people should take a look. There is the added benefit of all the advice and forms etc on their website.

    I've always taken the view that legislation should focus on a problem rather than affect everyone with a blanket Policy BUT I've changed my mind.

    The Gov should work alongside the NRLA (and any other Landlord schemes) to start a complete Landlord Register that is a legal requirement before letting - I would rather it be an arms length arrangement via the NRLA than give Gov even more information to badly manage.

    What do you think?
    5
    Keep things as they are
    20.00%
    1
    Have a Compulsory (cost sensible) Training Requirement for Landlords
    0%
    0
    Have a Compulsory (free) Landlord Database to be operated by NRLA (or similar)
    40.00%
    2
    Have a Compulsory (free) Landlord Database controlled by Local Authorities
    40.00%
    2
    My views are my own - you may not agree with them. I tend say things as I see them and I don't do "political correctness". Just because we may not agree you can still buy me a pint lol

    #2
    I actually think a central register held by the state, rather than local authorities, would be more useful - there is issues with local authorities holding personal data (they're not good at keeping it private).

    Having a register of landlords that was mandatory (so you couldn't evict or protect a deposit without recording your registration number) would self fund because of the tax collection efficiency.

    But it wouldn't affect rogue landlords, who would ignore the requirement just like they ignore everything else and might prevent accidental landlords from entering the market, which might not be desirable.
    I can't decide if lots of landlords some/many of whom don't know what they're doing is worse than fewer landlords who can be identified and communicated with.
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

    Comment


      #3
      Perhaps if Letting Agents were regulated in a similar way, those accidental landlords unwilling or unable to conform would be forced to use a "professional" to manage their property.

      Registration Number (landlord or agent) required to advertise a property (same as EPC requirement) and to register a Deposit.

      Basically, further educate Tenants (how to rent booklet) to find responsible Landlords while making it easier to identify the rogue ones.

      No registration = mandatory £10,000 penalty (into ring-fenced LA housing enforcement) and mandatory repayment of all rental monies paid.

      Local Authorities (and Tenants) can simply view property advert and match reg number displayed with national database.

      My views are my own - you may not agree with them. I tend say things as I see them and I don't do "political correctness". Just because we may not agree you can still buy me a pint lol

      Comment


        #4
        Update - sorry, just realised poll can only choose 1 option - so cant select training and registration - cannot edit it now
        My views are my own - you may not agree with them. I tend say things as I see them and I don't do "political correctness". Just because we may not agree you can still buy me a pint lol

        Comment


          #5
          Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
          No registration = mandatory £10,000 penalty (into ring-fenced LA housing enforcement) and mandatory repayment of all rental monies paid.
          I have spoken to Local Authorities who cannot afford, or do not have the staff to take action against landlords. This one action would give the Local Authorities the funds and incentive to enforce the law.



          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
            Registration Number (landlord or agent) required to advertise a property (same as EPC requirement) and to register a Deposit.
            Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?

            Local authority fines are mostly ring fenced already, the barrier isn't the penalty it's the cost of enforcement through the courts. It's difficult to get a prosecution signed off because it's costly and there's always a chance it won't succeed.

            When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
            Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

            Comment


              #7
              Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
              Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?

              Local authority fines are mostly ring fenced already, the barrier isn't the penalty it's the cost of enforcement through the courts. It's difficult to get a prosecution signed off because it's costly and there's always a chance it won't succeed.
              lol I wouldnt know as not in Wales

              I think a mandatory £10,000 fine (ie nice little earner) going to the Local Authority for a non-registered landlord would have every local authority in the Country checking adverts against databases etc and they'd be falling over themselves to book court time lol

              I cannot think of any reason a decent landlord would have issue with it.

              Instead, we have a system where LAs seem to focus on dealing with relatively minor issues where the whiff of a legal threat usually gets results.

              My views are my own - you may not agree with them. I tend say things as I see them and I don't do "political correctness". Just because we may not agree you can still buy me a pint lol

              Comment


                #8
                IMHO any landlord would be daft not to get trained: I know this as I didn't bother when I started, expensive, painful, complex, long-drawn out clusterf*ck. of my stupidity! Oh the hubris!

                Nobody (I hope..) would now question drivers having to be on a central register (DVLA database of licences) or being required to have qualifications (pass driving test). Albeit my Dad never did a driving test (born 1903 ) - and it showed.

                But IMHO the 1st priority is getting agents rather more controlled: Currently to be a lettings agent in England requires no training, no qualifications, no criminal records check: The whole office could be staffed by ex-prisoners on early release from their sentences for GBH & Fraud at Brixton Prison: Bonkers!

                Of course there should be a central register of landlords available to all to check based on property or landlord details. .And some sort of qualifications.

                I am already on a register - Scotland (I am also landlord in England): -prices here..
                https://www.landlordregistrationscot...es-information
                - Per 3-years, £67/council then £15 / property, plus various discounts: HMO's are free!
                - access to the register is free to anyone: As is (different system & laws) the records of tribunal (rather than court now) decisions on landlords, agents, tenants(!).

                Rather than qualifications, I had to declare that I was a "Fit & Proper person" - how I passed, F K. No doubt that will get tightened up soon.

                Lets get agents done first, I suggest: Then Landlords: Then tenants..... (oh yes, tenants...)
                I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

                Comment


                  #9
                  I spotted an article today about the government looking at compulsory landlord registration ............ just another nail to push me further down the road to selling up, the feckless will simply ignore it and have no comeback due to the councils being bone idle and incompetent and any of the fees we pay them will go into general council funds, aka bigger pay rises for hard working CEO's or more refurbishment to the town halls.

                  I see a big reduction in the PRS over the next 5-10 years.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                    Isn't that basically the system in use in Wales?
                    And Newham , Hackney, Waltham Forest , Thanet , or every authority I let in and 46 other areas.
                    https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/04...ences-in-2020/

                    Comment


                      #11
                      We also need tenants to educate themselves - the How to Rent guide is so basic and by the time they receive it it is too late. Tenants calling out LLs on EPCs, gas safety, EICRs would encourage LLs to be compliant and we could identify tenants who are complicit in poor standards in return for cheap rent, which I believe is part of the problem with rogue LLs.

                      Comment


                        #12
                        In the EPC consultation there is a suggestion of a national register, at a cost of £30 per property.

                        "we are proposing to expand the scope of the current PRS Exemptions Register and redesign it as a property compliance and exemptions database operated by a third-party provider. "
                        (Presumably the third-party provider will be one of those that likes to employ ex-civil servants on larger salaries...)

                        although it isn't exactly a landlord registry, they acknowledge that it looks like one.

                        "Whilst the property compliance and exemptions database proposed here is not a landlord registry, there is a risk of some duplication of functionality between the two systems." (referring to the system in Wales)

                        Comment


                          #13
                          They should start by making sure letting agents know what they're doing.
                          No register will be free, we will be paying the inflated salaries of yet more pen pushers. The law abiding will pay for it and the rogue landlords will continue to ignore regulations just as they do now. IMO the country would be better off with more 'doers' and far fewer overseers (in all walks of life).

                          Comment


                            #14
                            royw - Well said, if only, we have far too many 'hangers-on' and those with a vested interest in doing the very least for the very most.

                            Any scheme introduced which will be administered by the local authorities will be an exercise in futility, they will take our money and pocket it, simply another tax on the PRS.

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
                              I cannot think of any reason a decent landlord would have issue with it.
                              Nothing to hide, nothing to fear? LOL

                              "Give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest landlord, I would find something in them to have him hanged"
                              -Looney left landlord hating council worker.







                              Comment

                              Latest Activity

                              Collapse

                              • Reply to Did you have experience with section 8 counterclaim?
                                by DPT57
                                Paying arrears has to be a win of sorts. What is the basis of their counterclaim? Does it have any merit?

                                The retaliatory eviction legislation is very specific and the tenant has to have told you about any disrepair in writing prior to the s21 notice and the Council has to serve a category...
                                04-12-2021, 13:46 PM
                              • Did you have experience with section 8 counterclaim?
                                by Murielle
                                Another difficult landlord situation: tenants had rent arrears. We served both section 8 and 21. Just before hearing for possession on section 8 grounds, they paid enough arrears to have it squashed ( still 1 month behind) but used a lawyer to put forward a counterclaim and date for trial is expected...
                                03-12-2021, 21:59 PM
                              • Reply to help please...
                                by john19
                                Thank you very much for your reply and all make sense, after reading here on this forum and on the net over the last few days; what I have learnt is do as much as you can to cover yourself just incase you need to issue a section 8 or section 21 notice.

                                Not sure I'm going over the top but...
                                04-12-2021, 13:16 PM
                              • help please...
                                by john19
                                Hi all,

                                I have an estate agent collecting rent for me on a few properties (there not doing anything else, the tenants call me direct with any issues) and i am about to take this on myself to save the fees, the estate agents have agreed to this and have agreed to redo the tenancy agreement...
                                04-12-2021, 09:58 AM
                              • Reply to help please...
                                by jpkeates
                                I would, just on the belt and braces basis.

                                The issue will be that your new tenancy will be a follow on or replacement tenancy and the prescribed information relating to the deposit has a deadline relating to the original receipt of the deposit.
                                You'd ideally want some evidence that...
                                04-12-2021, 12:58 PM
                              • Reply to help please...
                                by john19
                                Hi Ash

                                Thank you very much for your reply and i am getting this sent over to the dps account i have set up the estate agents told me to do this....
                                04-12-2021, 12:52 PM
                              • Reply to help please...
                                by john19
                                Thank you for your time and reply very grateful.

                                If the tenancy agreement had to be changed would i need to issue all these documents again and if i don't get proof of service from the estate agents should i issue them again?

                                Thank you for your help......
                                04-12-2021, 12:50 PM
                              • Reply to help please...
                                by ash72
                                Was there a security deposit, you will need to transfer this as well.
                                04-12-2021, 12:47 PM
                              • Reply to My legal rights about an Inspection
                                by jpkeates
                                I'd be interested to see where that has been "judicially confirmed" - although I know we disagree on this and there's not a lot of merit in simply restating the same points.

                                I do accept that a right to inspect doesn't erase the tenant's right to exclusive possession - Bruton v...
                                04-12-2021, 12:29 PM
                              • My legal rights about an Inspection
                                by thegypsyking
                                Hi all, I am a tenant who s on a Assured Shorthold Tenancy. The agreement is for 6 months, i have already made an upfront payment for 6 months. Its been couple of months since i moved. My landlord wants to inspect to the flat next week by surveyors, but without me being involved. He wrote me that due...
                                03-12-2021, 23:53 PM
                              Working...
                              X