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    Section 21 abolition - timetable

    I know that abolishing Section 21 is not yet a done deal but is looking likely. Do we know when the governments white paper is likely to show it's face and how long after that before we will not be able to use Section 21 ( a crystal ball question I know ). I'm hoping to repossess at least one more property before it's abolished.

    #2
    I believe the bill won't be published now before next year as they are trying to make sure there are no 'unintended consequences' like the pet debacle after the ability to charge a pet deposits removed by the tenant fees ban. It then has to go through Parliament so I would guess next summer at the earliest.

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      #3
      I'd get on with it IIWY. I'd guess it will happen with the next lockdown.
      To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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        #4
        There needs to be a review following the consultation because the change isn't just the abolition of s21, it's a change to section 8 as well, to allow possession in circumstances that are not currently possible without using s21.

        Realistically, it probably requires a housing minister who's in place for more than a year.
        Because anyone looking to implement the change is doing something that they didn't start and there's no point progressing something that someone else is going to get all the credit for.

        Then, usually, a year or so of parliamentary time.
        When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
        Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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          #5
          Thanks, that sounds hopeful, so I'm guessing their is no way they can just abolish it overnight. I have a property that will not make the proposed C grade so I am going to sell it now because I can see it becoming a major headache when S21 is gone. I was hoping not to issue notice before Christmas if possible.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Kape65 View Post
            I have a property that will not make the proposed C grade so I am going to sell it now because I can see it becoming a major headache when S21 is gone.
            A lot of us have been mulling this over for the exact same reason..... EPC C, But as far as i keep hearing the new '' rules '' will allow an eviction for the purpose of selling the property, so if this is the case (which it has to be in practical terms) you are no worse off...... you can wait until the EPC rule comes in (Dec 2028 i understand for existing tenants) and sell say a year or so before...... thus getting a number of years more rent up until that point.

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              #7
              EPC C is not law yet! I think there are a lot of LLs waiting to see if this happens or not. I certainly have properties to sell if this is the case but until we have facts I am not taking drastic action.

              The announcement today about heat pumps may change the conversation on EPCs - after all they are electrically powered! There is supposed to be an update on the assessment algorithm in the pipeline too.

              I was planning to sell my electrically heated properties because of low EPCs but if they put the green levies on gas and are planning to phase out gas boilers maybe I should be selling the gas properties & keeping the electric ones! Maybe storage heaters will be the answer once again!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Hudson01 View Post

                A lot of us have been mulling this over for the exact same reason..... EPC C, But as far as i keep hearing the new '' rules '' will allow an eviction for the purpose of selling the property, so if this is the case (which it has to be in practical terms) you are no worse off...... you can wait until the EPC rule comes in (Dec 2028 i understand for existing tenants) and sell say a year or so before...... thus getting a number of years more rent up until that point.
                If they allow eviction based on a desire to sell how would they be able to police that?
                I know I am making a number of presumptions regarding the future but I am nearing the endgame anyway so bringing my exit from PRS forward a few years seems a wise move.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kape65 View Post
                  If they allow eviction based on a desire to sell how would they be able to police that?
                  Probably how they do it in Scotland.
                  First of all the landlord has to provide evidence that they plan to market the property within three months of the tenant leaving (all eviction hearings in Scotland are dealt with by a specialist tribunal).
                  If the landlord doesn't market the property in any meaningful way, the ex-tenant can claim a penalty of up to six month's rent.

                  Please note that this is based on Internet research, I have zero experience of Scottish processes.
                  When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                  Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                    #10
                    I like the sound of the model in Scotland. I do agree that the EPC C is not yet law but i would be amazed if it did not come in, i am hoping for a change in the way in which electrically heated properties are viewed (mine are this way), if not then my properties will never achieve a C and i will be out. If they could get to a C then i would stay, my tenants are great and the properties are running very smoothly.

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                      #11
                      From memory the implementation in Scotland for selling included evicted tenant being entitled to up to 6 months rent (etc etc ) if it turned out sale didn't happen or good evidence for trying. So I carefully filed copies of advert, instructions to estate agent and solicitor. (It was sold etc). There was a whole new list of grounds, similar but improved on the earlier act (IE new act, new tenancy type - PRT - etc etc). Yes of course it could be improved on.

                      The Scottish landlord association had/has much better relationships with other agencies (councils, cab, shelter etc) and government and thus more influence than appears to be the case in England. But again, not perfect.
                      I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                        #12
                        I think that the EPc C rating will come into effect and is my biggest concern, unfortunately for me, some of our houses will never make it to a C due to their construction, so we will have to sell them and I don't see any future landlord buying them, so this will mean fewer houses available on the local rental market. It currently has way too many more tenants looking for houses than what is available. Come 2025, there is not going to be anything left for new tenants.

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                          #13
                          David Amess was the sponsor of the Minimum Energy of Buildigs (no.2) Bill that has had its first reading in the H of P. No date for the second reading currently and presumably a new sponsor needed after his tragic death. Whether this means EPC C will be delayed - who knows?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Yorkie2020 View Post
                            I think that the EPc C rating will come into effect and is my biggest concern, unfortunately for me, some of our houses will never make it to a C due to their construction, so we will have to sell them and I don't see any future landlord buying them, so this will mean fewer houses available on the local rental market. It currently has way too many more tenants looking for houses than what is available. Come 2025, there is not going to be anything left for new tenants.
                            Exactly my thoughts, it is this which i think is the biggest threat to the PRS in the near to medium term, it's a basic fundamental that without the legal right to rent your investment there is simply no point in owning it ! I am not willing to gut the whole place and refit every room with internal insulation, fit new heating and all manner of other nonsense that home owners do not have to abide by and local authority housing does not have too..... not a chance.

                            It is just getting all to much and selling up seems a sensible decision given i see the future as getting a lot worse in terms of hoops to jump through.

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                              #15
                              Currently there's a cap on how much you have to spend on a property to get it up to E, which would limit the downside.
                              Although it's £3,500 which isn't trivial.
                              They're talking about increasing that to £10,000 which would kill it off completely (and gives you some idea of how much the government thinks we've got sitting around waiting to spend).
                              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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