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    AST openrent digital signatures

    Hello

    Openrent does allow digital signatures, so does several banks, card companies.

    My question- for doing the AST through openrent, is this good legally and binding ? Specially when digital certificates are not used for signing the online based openrent ASTs ?

    What do you think please.

    #2
    I use digital signatures on all AST agreements now.

    Bear in mind that you do not need a written contract for an AST to be legally binding. Anyone arguing that the OpenRent contract does not form the basis of the tenancy would need to provide strong evidence that you had agreed to other terms.
    Assume I know nothing.

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      #3
      I use OpenRent for all my lettings but I don't use their RentNow procedure (contract / referencing).
      Assume I know nothing.

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        #4
        Ok suppose its all go wrong, tenants have stopped paying rent etc.. With openrent you have the guarantors email address, do they actually supply any more? We tried to build up quite a detailed picture pay slips etc. Guarantors are ok if theyve goet a bit of wonga so we want to have their address and we check that they are on the title

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          #5
          I don't actually know as I don't use their RentNow service - it would seem unlikely that they would not provide you with that info. I prefer to do my own data collection for referencing, (digital) contract and guarantees (non-digital, as they need to be witnessed and this does not seem to be possible digitally ATM).

          At a glance, their contract looks ok and I can't see any real problem with it being digitally executed. (Although there are question marks over the guarantee section).
          Assume I know nothing.

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            #6
            It is OK so long as it is not challenged (same as a physical signature you might have forged).

            All it does is tie the signer to someone who had access to an E-mail address (pretty weak evidence of who signed). If challenged how do you plan to tie the E-mail address to a specific human?

            Not quite the same as a proper digital signature where some signing authority would tie it to something hard (passports, credit cards, ownership of a company...)

            So like a lot of things -- it is good only so long as all is good.

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              #7
              I can't see that this is any more risky than someone saying that the physical signature is not theirs.
              Assume I know nothing.

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                #8
                I use digital signing for the whole process from initial enquiry, to confirmation of forms recieved to AST and Inventory.

                The tenant is the one to provide their email address and is responsible for keeping their passwords secure.

                The chances of a 3rd party knowing a form has been sent, knowing the email password and actually having any need to forge a signature is pretty remote.

                If the tenant permits someone else access to the email, he explicitly does so.

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                My views are my own - you may not agree with them. I tend say things as I see them and I don't do "political correctness". Just because we may not agree you can still buy me a pint lol

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                  #9
                  It's not just the AST. I get my tenants to sign the deposit PI, the inventory I've created and a sheet recording service of each of the other prescribed documents. Its not so easy to escape wet signatures completely yet.

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                    #10
                    Yeah - I get tenants arriving from China having spent the past 15 hours on a flight. When they arrive I keep them awake for another 6 hours signing documents and doing the inventory. I make sure to allocate the blame where it belongs. I also explain that the 6 hours of signing and the 6 hours it took me to prepare the stuff for signing @£100/hour + £50 of paper and ink is a substantial component of their hefty rent.

                    Only marginally exaggerating but these things cost tenants a LOT.

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