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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by Neelix View Post
    Back to the OP - if the free holder installed and managed the supplies etc wouldn't that come under the commercial scheme support?
    I am not familiar with that....... i will need a quick Google.

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  • Neelix
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    Back to the OP - if the free holder installed and managed the supplies etc wouldn't that come under the commercial scheme support?

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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by MdeB View Post

    Hydrogen-fuelled vehicles?
    Yes, but the govt have put their decision behind EV...... that is pretty much it, however possible Hydrogen could be.

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by Hudson01 View Post

    i cannot see how it can be stopped,.
    Hydrogen-fuelled vehicles?

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  • Section20z
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    Yes the clean air zones are very affective but in limited areas, I think we will see road pricing countrywide with huge pay per mile charging for the gross polluters.
    68% of UK housing has off street parking so the argument of no access to charging is a pretty thin one.

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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by Codger View Post
    Hudson , if you cannot get the right cabling under the slab it may be easy to run a few empty tubes under it.
    Agree, the opportunity is too good to not do anything, i do not like how we are all be pushed towards EV but i cannot see how it can be stopped, the biggest leverage the govt has is the so called ' clean air zone ', its simply a congestion charge in another form and is the real power in getting people out of their petrol and diesel cars.

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  • philg
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    this is a very common scenario , i have houses that are a good 7 houses from road way and no way can they have charging points . millions of folks in same position

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  • ash5050
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    Originally posted by JK0 View Post
    I believe the podpoint system I linked to can have the whole carpark prewired, and a charger installed in individual spaces only when needed. Presumably a fresh £350 grant would be available to each individual installation.
    I seem to recall to qualify for the grant you actually have to show you own an EV. So if they are being installed for future use this might not be possible. I'm not saying this is definitely correct but I think that's how it is

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  • Codger
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    Hudson , if you cannot get the right cabling under the slab it may be easy to run a few empty tubes under it.

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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by JK0 View Post
    I believe the podpoint system I linked to can have the whole carpark prewired, and a charger installed in individual spaces only when needed. Presumably a fresh £350 grant would be available to each individual installation.
    These were my thoughts, the car parks in my flats are about to be changed and new concrete slabs put in, so before that happens we will look into placing the correct cabling under the slab, ready for any future connection but there is a lot to think about.

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  • JK0
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    I believe the podpoint system I linked to can have the whole carpark prewired, and a charger installed in individual spaces only when needed. Presumably a fresh £350 grant would be available to each individual installation.

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by Section20z View Post
    Very simple, just 3 pin socket by every space, fits every ev on the road and perfectly adequate for overnight charging.
    1. It needs to be weather proof.
    2. Need some way of charging for electricity used.

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  • Section20z
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    Very simple, just 3 pin socket by every space, fits every ev on the road and perfectly adequate for overnight charging.

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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by ram View Post
    I will probably never have an electrc vehicle, as I have petrol cars ranging from ( and never less than 12 years old ) From 17 years old to 45 years old, all in exceptional condition, so no need for a car that can't get me to london and back in a day ( 460 mile round trip ) and I have to sleep in the car for 8 hours to charge before In can return --- Sod that.

    From the Web
    I totally agree but for one small issue....... the govt will eventually tax petrol and diesel so highly it will become a deciding factor in running a fossil fueled car, one thing which is happening in my area next year and has already happened in Birmingham..... the Clean Air Zone. This will be the way that fossil fueled vehicles will be run off the road (no pun intended). If when you drive your car anywhere within a 40 miles radius of your home you have to pay £8 a day then that will be a game changer, it will come. The Birmingham experiment may start low with only the older cars being charged but it will work up to the Euro 6 compliant cars and eventually everything other than full EV..... This is how the govt will do it over time, so irrespective of how well you look after a petrol or diesel car, it will still be uneconomical to run it. All the other points are good and very informative.

    It may not be soon, but in time the lack of charging infrastructure will have an effect on the rent-ability of flats with a communal car park, right or wrong EV's are coming and will be the dominant form of private transport in the future, fighting for petrol/diesel vehicles to the very end will be akin to demanding that Blockbuster video stores were kept open when Netflix etc came in.

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  • ram
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    I would be inclined to say that if a Leaseholder requires a Car charging station, the leaseholder pays the full cost of that instalation, and not have all leaseholders paying serice charges for instalations that don't benefit them.
    Yes, a station, as trailing an extention lead out of a window is not recommended, together with the charging unit.

    And if you go for the service charges installing on of those that let you pay by credit card ( Very expensive if you want to service all leaseholders ) then who pays the rental fees, Standing charges for electric fees when no one has an electric car, as that ONE person who had an electric car, sells, and no one eles has an E.V. ?

    I will probably never have an electrc vehicle, as I have petrol cars ranging from ( and never less than 12 years old ) From 17 years old to 45 years old, all in exceptional condition, so no need for a car that can't get me to london and back in a day ( 460 mile round trip ) and I have to sleep in the car for 8 hours to charge before In can return --- Sod that.

    From the Web . . . . .

    EVs are at a relatively early stage of roll-out in Ireland. It is estimated that about 1.5 per cent of new car sales in 2019 were EVs and the figure may rise to about 3 per cent in 2020. EVs now constitute well under 1 per cent of the total stock of cars.

    As EVs may provide an important contribution in reducing carbon emissions, you are right that residential developments with car parks should now be considering the implications of EV. That said, EVs and charging create a number of practical challenges in multi-unit developments, especially those built before EVs became available, ie where no charging points were installed when the development was built.

    I know of several OMCs that reviewed this issue in the past year but for a variety of reasons, most (if not all) are adopting a wait-and-see approach on installing charging points.

    As to you installing your own charging point, there are cases where owners who have electricity meters close to their car park space have cabled up their own EV charge point and pay for the electricity used via their own meter.

    However, there are reasons why OMCs can be reluctant to allow owners to do this. Firstly, while such a solution may be okay for one car park space that is located close to the relevant meter, it can create problems if multiple owners install their own cabling or if cabling has to travel any distance, which it sounds like might be the case in your development with both underground and overground car parks.

    Secondly, there are some technical issues. ESB Networks is not enthusiastic about individual owners making connections off individual power supplies in car parks, for health and safety reasons. Also, while meters are normally marked as connected to one apartment, connection terminals linked to individual apartments are rarely marked and this could mean an EV charge point is connected to an incorrect connector. Furthermore, meter boards normally do not have too much spare capacity so they can probably just facilitate a minority of apartment owners.

    An alternative approach by individuals looking to install charge points is for them to ask that these be connected to the common area electricity supply (thus avoiding the problems of connecting to their own meter). This leads to the question of who pays for the electricity. Again, this may not be a big issue with one or two EV users. However, as the number of EV owners grows, it would not be fair for owners who do not own EVs to subsidise owners who do, via OMC electricity.

    Another technical issue may relate to electricity “loads”. As the number of EVs rises, and the number of fast chargers grow, an OMC has to be careful that surges in electricity usage do not overload the system and knock out power for apartment owners. This raises the question of whether the current base infrastructure is adequate.

    A further issue relates to standards used for charge points. This matter is still evolving and it would be important that individual owners don’t lock into proprietary standards (as per some solutions currently on the market) but instead favour open standards that will link to each other and to any wider OMC infrastructure.

    So there are good reasons why an OMC may wish to discourage individual owners from installing their own charge points, but would prefer that charging points be installed centrally via the OMC.

    Of course, for the OMC, the fact that the standards continue to evolve is also an issue as is the fact that it should not adopt a “closed standards” solution. There is also the question of who pays to put the charging infrastructure in place, ie does the OMC pay centrally or can it in some way link the costs of this infrastructure to EV users in the development. It may be possible to develop a pricing model which means users pay slightly above the market rate for electricity, thus allowing the OMC to recoup its initial costs of fitting the technology over time.

    There are multiple issues involved, some quite complex. These help to explain why OMCs have been slow to retrofit apartment developments for EV charging. However, there is no doubt that this issue is now moving up the agenda for residential developments.

    My advice to any OMC would be to get expert advice before installing EV charge points and there are now a number of EV consultants who advise on this issue. Organisations such as the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI), Engineers Ireland, and the Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland (SCSI) may also provide advice.

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