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    Mandating Wifi

    Hi all, sorry if this has been asked before. I'm renovating following a huge fire in the property and I'm additionally going to install Google Nest Smoke alarms to send a remote alert to my phone as well as ring an alarm for any occupants. Unfortunately this needs wifi which is the responsibility of the tenant.

    Is there any reasonable way of stating in the tenancy agreement they must have active wifi connection specifically for the fire/smoke/carbon alarms to operate?

    thank you!

    #2
    I would say that is unreasonable. As the landlord you are responsible for working fire alarms and not the tenant.

    Why not install wifi at your own expense and offer it to the tenants as 'free' with an increase in the rent to cover the costs? That's what I do. You will get happy tenants and the fire alarm service in a one hit.



    Freedom at the point of zero............

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      #3
      Be very careful with smoke alarms.

      I disconnected ALL mine, removed the batteries ( not hard wired ) in a flat because every time we grilled, fried or made toast, the smoke alarms would go off. So if you want to keep sending the fire brigade to a cooking alarm, do so, but you may find all the batteries eventually removed, and if hard wired, the units will be slid off and put in a box outside.

      Depends on the smoke alarm though.

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        #4
        Forget it IIWY, unless you want to visit every time they burn the toast.

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          #5
          Originally posted by ram View Post
          Be very careful with smoke alarms.

          I disconnected ALL mine, removed the batteries ( not hard wired ) in a flat because every time we grilled, fried or made toast, the smoke alarms would go off. So if you want to keep sending the fire brigade to a cooking alarm, do so, but you may find all the batteries eventually removed, and if hard wired, the units will be slid off and put in a box outside.

          Depends on the smoke alarm though.

          All your experience proves is that the wrong type of alarm was installed in your kitchen

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            #6
            Provide broadband in with the tenancy and a decent router would hep, but you can't prevent tenant turning it off. Even if there was a clause requiring it to be on, what would you do if it were breaches? No judge would evict for just that, so s21??
            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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              #7
              What happens in the event there is a power cut, or the network is down by the operator...... and you need to reset the system. I'm assuming your the one who will pay for the wifi - you then open another can of worms on downloading illegal material etc, Is this for a HMO or a single family home? Get the property smoke/heat detectors hard wired with and an auxiliary battery. Save your money for your own house if you want these types of gadgets.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Neelix View Post
                All your experience proves is that the wrong type of alarm was installed in your kitchen


                Alarms fitted by landlord, and no smoke alarm in kitchen, nor in the house I currently rent.
                I did say "Depends on the smoke alarm though." but don't expect Google Nest Smoke alarms to be suppiled in different forms for kitchen only, or the one in the next room that wont measure fat and toast.



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                  #9
                  Nest smoke alarms are very good and are not prone to false alarms - they're quite intelligent.
                  So your toast has to be pretty much on fire to set them off.
                  The older ones used to be a bit prone to being set off by dust if they were covered in it, and you'd have to clean them to stop them going off, but the newer models seem to have sorted that.

                  Nest products are also motion detectors, and tenants might find them intrusive.
                  They also test themselves periodically.
                  I'd also be wary of supplying anything that works remotely - if you get warned of a fire several miles away, on a Sunday night, what are you meant to do?

                  Supplying broadband and wifi is a bit of a minefield, whoever controls the router can track what the users are looking at, unless the users are quite tech savvy, and you probably don't want to be responsible for what some people download.
                  When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                  Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                    #10
                    I'm coming from a place of having to deal with a fire that almost took down the whole property and it was fully fitted with smoke/fire detectors that we had just tested. The neighbours ignored the alarm until they saw the fire coming out the windows. So yes I'm installing the latest smart alarms.

                    Yeah I'm installing google nest alarms, the heating is already google nest. TBH if you install properly you wont have an issue with burnt toast. Its tricky as I think probably all I can do is talking to prospective tenants and get a handshake agreement beforehand and put a best endeavours clause in the contract that states what the wifi is needed for.
                    I definitely will not be providing wifi, as that is a minefield for a lot of reasons. They need to arrange that themselves.
                    As for motion detection, thats just necessary to avoid false alarms precisely so I dont get a call when theres someone in the kitchen, but also they will get the audible alarm, so all I have to do really is just contact them if the alarm isn't turned off after two minutes.

                    As long as you're up front and honest with tenants, I would rather deal with tenants who are reasonable and weed out the ones who are likely to turn 'karen' on me.

                    God help anyone installing a Ring door camera :-)

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                      #11
                      If you want your own router/wifi for the alarms, and the tenants to have their own seperate router/wifi for their use then you will need two landlines unless one, or both, of the routers uses a mobile signal rather than a landline.

                      Probably best for yours to be mobile leaving the landline free for the tenants if they want to use it with a phone as well as a router.
                      Something like this tucked away in a cupboard or in the attic: https://shop.ee.co.uk/dongles/pay-mo...-2020/details#


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                        #12
                        AND if you supply broadband does this mean the LL will also be liable for any fixed line calls?

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                          #13
                          Two routers with their own wifi networks will just interfere with each other.
                          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by spicelord View Post
                            Is there any reasonable way of stating in the tenancy agreement they must have active wifi connection specifically for the fire/smoke/carbon alarms to operate?
                            You don't just need wifi, for remote access you'd need them to have broadband.
                            And, to clarify, to mandate that would be illegal (Tenant Fees Act).
                            You can't require a tenant to enter into a contract with a 3rd party as a condition of letting to them.

                            When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                            Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                              Two routers with their own wifi networks will just interfere with each other.
                              You can manually put them on different wifi chanels to prevent that.

                              Modern routers can work that out for themselves and set to a less used channel if needed, may take them a week or so to monitor who is using what channels and adjust.

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