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    Early change of Landlord

    Would be grateful for thoughts on this. Daughter signed student tenancy for next academic year on Monday this week. LL shown as an individual with the same name as the letting agency. Yesterday she was told that the LL wishes to self manage and to change her standing order payment to an investment company (ltd company) we have not heard of. The agency say they will destroy the standing order documents the students filled in on Monday. I am a bit worried as we have no contact details for this LL. The ageny have a good reputation for repairs etc but who knows what the LL will be like? Can they just change LL after the AST is signed in this way? Any ideas, thoughts or observations welcome. Thank you.
    Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

    #2
    A signed contract is a contract and one party can's simply decide it's not valid and ignore it.
    So, from a purely technical point of view, you can decline to cancel the existing contract.

    I'm not sure how useful that would be if the landlord simply refused to honour the agreement, you'd be entitled to compensation for any loss, but I can't imagine there would be much.

    You can obviously use that as a negotiating point, to obtain the landlord's details (which should be on the new contract).
    Companies House should have details of the investment company.

    If you are not comfortable with the proposed management, you could find another property, possibly from the agent you seem happy with.
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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      #3
      From what is said it does not sound like a change of landlord but simply a change of who is to be paid.

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        #4
        I would insist on a new and full agreement and have full contact details of the LL

        if they donā€™t agree to this they are probably better off finding a new property

        why are some Lls such scum bags

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          #5
          Why is this any different to any other change of landlord DURUING a tenancy (where the tenant needs to be notified, but that does not nullify the agreement) ?

          In any case why any LL would allow an agent to be the named landlord beats me.....

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            #6
            Originally posted by Neelix View Post
            why are some Lls such scum bags
            A few certainly are -- but (at least so far) I don't see this story as a prime example of that.

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              #7
              Thank you for comments - much appreciated. The AST is with one person named as LL but the girls are being asked to pay another person. THey are clearly moving from fully managed to find only. The company has heavy borrowings and several properties have charges on them from the bank. My concern is a) repairs b) deposit c) we need a proper AST with the right person or a formal legal notice. Am I right to be concerned?
              Thanks all
              Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                #8
                I appreciate the points others are making, but, I think you're right to be concerned (not deeply worried, but concerned sounds about right).

                The change in standing order doesn't really matter (although what the point of insisting on a standing order is I don't know - they take a minute to cancel).

                The landlord is whoever is named on the contract and should be the person to whom rent is due, if not paid to them directly.

                If the tenancy agreement isn't changed, or the new landlord confirmed in writing, the agent is the person who has all of the landlord's responsibilities (including repairs) and will be able to serve notice and would have to appear in court if the notice is opposed.

                It's just badly set up and can cause confusion - things to avoid.
                When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                  #9
                  Thank you JP - I agree that we wish to avoid confusion - I also do not know where the deposit is! I shall email the agent who told them to change the standing order asking for clarification on all matters. Thanks for all your help everyone - I will keep you informed.
                  Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                    #10
                    Until the tenants get an unambiguous letter (I'd want signed paper) stating pay someone else they really ought not to change payments, surely?
                    I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                      #11
                      Thank you Artful I entirely agree and have told them not to set up new standing orders until this is resolved.
                      Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                        #12
                        Perhaps uni has an office dealing with rentals (accommodation office??) and can advise and/or "knows" about these fine people...
                        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                          #13
                          Indeed thank you. I don't think the agency is to blame but the owners have ducked out of their fully managed service (presumably to save money). No idea what is going on behind the scenes re the contract between the agency and the landlord! Anyway the agency are not doing things correctly and we have told them so. Bet they thought they would get away with it cos students will never make a fuss or understand the issues...but when mum is a LL....and has the collective wisdom of this site then they could not be more wrong!
                          Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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                            #14
                            Sympathy! Don't forget to advise tenants to pursue the agent's complaints process and when that process fails - (I can foresee the future) - to use the lettings agent redress scheme. See here advice from Mssrs Shelter..
                            https://england.shelter.org.uk/housi...edress_schemes

                            Good luck: Sounds like someone needs a good kickin'
                            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                              #15
                              Thank you to all. We now have the proper name address and contact details of the new LL. The AST has the details of the old LL on it. We have been told that the deposit is being held by the agent until the first day of the tenancy when it will be transferred to the new LL and will be put in a DPS scheme. Details will be given to the students on the first day of the tenancy along with the right to rent booklet and prescribed information. The agent will have held the deposit for over 4 months when it is put into a scheme. All sounds very haphazard to me do you think??
                              Unshackled by the chains of idle vanity, A modest manatee, that's me

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