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    #16
    To be fair, if its a modern property with interlinked smoke/heat detectors and not caught by an Additional Licensing Scheme then the HMO requirements aren't particularly onerous or costly. Most of the HMO Management Regulations are a reiteration of HHSRS that would be required for all properties and for sharers on a single tenancy a Fire Risk Assessment would not be compulsory either. There may be insurance or lender restrictions, but otherwise I suspect its more the fear of the dreaded three letter acronym than the reality.

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      #17
      Originally posted by DPT57 View Post
      for sharers on a single tenancy a Fire Risk Assessment would not be compulsory either.
      I didn't know that.

      How do you satisfy the requirement
      "To ensure that all fire escapes are clear of any obstacles and that they are kept in good order, to ensure that all fire safety measures are maintained in good working order and that adequate fire safety measures are in place with regards to the design, structural conditions and number of occupiers in the HMO"
      without a risk assessment?
      When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
      Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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        #18
        Blame various governments who do this in the guise of protecting you......

        You pay dearly for that protection.

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          #19
          Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
          How do you satisfy the requirement
          "To ensure that all fire escapes are clear of any obstacles and that they are kept in good order, to ensure that all fire safety measures are maintained in good working order and that adequate fire safety measures are in place with regards to the design, structural conditions and number of occupiers in the HMO"
          without a risk assessment?
          I have 3 friends sharing a flat in a 1980s block at the moment. The landings, stairwells and grounds are well maintained by the management company who are very proactive on this sort of thing. I don't know that in practice, that term in the regulations means having to ensure much more than this for a landlord. Fire safety measures are checked at quarterly inspections for all my properties. I may be missing something, but I really don't think its so difficult in a small HMO. My only real fear is that the Council will revise its Additional Licensing Scheme, (currently limited to 4 person HMOs).

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            #20
            Maybe if one of you were to legally adopt the other two?

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              #21
              Originally posted by MdeB View Post
              Maybe if one of you were to legally adopt the other two?
              Or marry them, cohabit/sleep with them. That's what the government wants. Sex.

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                #22
                ridiculously the only way round it is to say two of the two are in a civil partnership. Or for a practical solution for two individuals to take the tenancy and the other one to be their lodger. Ok unless the status of a lodger is no good for the purposes of claiming off the state

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by flyingfreehold View Post
                  ridiculously the only way round it is to say two of the two are in a civil partnership. Or for a practical solution for two individuals to take the tenancy and the other one to be their lodger.
                  I believe that the lodger exception does not apply to rented property, only to owner-occupiers.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by AndrewDod View Post

                    Or marry them, cohabit/sleep with them. That's what the government wants. Sex.
                    I'm not sure that a menage a trois counts for HMO designation. But I am happy to be corrected.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by flyingfreehold View Post
                      ridiculously the only way round it is to say two of the two are in a civil partnership. Or for a practical solution for two individuals to take the tenancy and the other one to be their lodger.
                      It would still be an HMO either way.

                      When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                      Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by MdeB View Post

                        I'm not sure that a menage a trois counts for HMO designation. But I am happy to be corrected.
                        Interesting. Two unrelated people are ok. Two related people plus one is not ok. What about a menage a very many, say 5 ? Looks like that's the way to go to get around HMO regs.

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                          #27
                          The key element is a household.
                          If a polyamorous group is one household, they'd be fine.
                          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by MdeB View Post

                            I'm not sure that a menage a trois counts for HMO designation. But I am happy to be corrected.
                            Blimey, correction as well, off into Sado-masacism eh?

                            I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                              #29
                              I knew three people who were in a polyamorous relationship once. Had been for years and it seemed to work for them. They had a council flat so I guess the problem didn't arise, but I've often thought how difficult it would be for them if landlords weren't prepared to let to them on the basis of their relationship, which of course is not covered by equalities legislation.

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                                #30
                                Yes. 'sfunny how HMO legislation doesn;t apply to council or housing association property. Obviously such landlords would never do any bad thing......
                                I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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