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    3 friends renting together

    First post so I'm sorry if I miss any details. We seem to have run into a little bit of a brick wall, 3 friends moving in together from family homes, we've all been in our current full-time jobs for years, we've been friends for 25+ years, living in England and seems we've been hit by needing a home with a HMO license as we're from 3 different households
    We've rang a couple places and been told a pretty categoric no seeing as it's 3 of us.
    Is there any sort of way round this? It seems most places we ring they don't have the license and it's become a little bit of a hiccup, I don't know if we're missing something?
    Thanks for any help provided, happy to give more details if needed aswell

    #2
    3 people renting together is really difficult and I think you'll struggle.
    Three people in more than one household creates an HMO and most properties of that size don't have the right set up to be an HMO.

    If you do find somewhere, the chances are it would simply be a landlord ignorant of the law (and therefore a problem all of its own).

    Sorry.
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      #3
      It just seems mad because over the years we've had other friends living together (consisting of 3 and 4 people) and they just seemed like standard family homes really, no one expressed any difficulty in doing so

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        #4
        If it's a university town/city, maybe try some landlords normally letting to students? Their place are more likely to be set up for HMO.
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          #5
          Check local council HMO dept if just 3 needs a license. Usually only if there is "selective licensing" unless Scotland where it needs a license.

          Of course if two of you were "in a relationship" it would not need a license.... .........
          I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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            #6
            Originally posted by Red91 View Post
            It just seems mad because over the years we've had other friends living together (consisting of 3 and 4 people) and they just seemed like standard family homes really, no one expressed any difficulty in doing so
            See my comment about ignorant landlords.

            What often happens is that two people rent a property and one (or both of them) acquire a partner who moves in without telling the landlord, creating a serious mess.
            Last edited by jpkeates; 27-01-2021, 11:50 AM. Reason: Quote added for context
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              #7
              Originally posted by theartfullodger View Post
              Of course if two of you were "in a relationship" it would not need a license.... .........
              It might not need a licence, but it would still be an HMO in England.
              And all the HMO regulations apply.
              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                #8
                Apologies.
                I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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                  #9
                  Can't find any of tjay kind of info on my council website, even including a Google search, I can see info for 5 or more occupants but nothing other than that? And in regards to friends moving in in the past, it's been a case of actual friends, no couples at all, all had their own bedrooms, all moved in from the start and left together. I really didn't think 3 mates moving in together would be such a mess, it really does seem like a joke

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                    #10
                    More government legislation designed to help tenants that actually makes it worse for them. When I left home it was normal for friends to move in together. Now, as you've found out, it's just so difficult.

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                      #11
                      What (if any) would the repercussions be if 2 people were on the tenancy and the third moved in as a long term lodger? I assume if there's nothing in the contract about a lodger it wouldn't be a problem, but if there was they could just evict us without notice essentially?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Red91 View Post
                        What (if any) would the repercussions be if 2 people were on the tenancy and the third moved in as a long term lodger? I assume if there's nothing in the contract about a lodger it wouldn't be a problem, but if there was they could just evict us without notice essentially?
                        There isn't any way that any landlord can evict tenants without notice.

                        But an HMO is created by occupation not by being tenants, so two tenants moving a lodger in is a typical way a problem arises.

                        The basic problem is that a 3 person HMO has the same regulations as a 5 person HMO with less income.
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                          #13
                          Well, all in all its looking pretty hopeless I guess! Thanks for the help though guys, definitely the most helpful forum I've been on in years!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Red91 View Post
                            Well, all in all its looking pretty hopeless I guess! Thanks for the help though guys, definitely the most helpful forum I've been on in years!
                            Have you tried looking on spareroom website? You can search for rooms as well as advertise for wanting rooms.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
                              3 people renting together is really difficult and I think you'll struggle.
                              Three people in more than one household creates an HMO and most properties of that size don't have the right set up to be an HMO.
                              Sorry.
                              I agree. It has been suggested on this forum before that 3-bed HMOs are few and far between because the achievable rent doesn't justify the expense / compliance / risk / work that an HMO entails. I think that this is fairly accurate.
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