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    Who Gives a Fig About The Council

    Something which keeps cropping up which I don't for the life of me understand.

    Put into words by this recent quote on the Forum

    It grieves me to hear again and again and again where tenants with huge arrears are evicted solely with s21, local council not informed of arrears and not given copies of s8's, and effort, time & scarce housing stock is wasted rehousing these cheats/crooks.

    WHY would private landlords want to do anything which stops dodgy tenants being given social housing by the Local Authority.

    If the Local Authority don't rehome such lowlife, guess who will end up having to do it - whether it be deposit incentives, rehoming grants blah blah blah.

    We have enough to deal with - let the Local Authority sweep up the trash.

    #2
    Why would you want to give them an incentive to behave that way? A few days on the streets might be the learning experience they need.

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      #3
      As a private LL, you have a choice you don't have to take them on as a T. The society we currently are in, penalises those trying to make a good living, without being a burden on the rest of society. While those who don't pay their ways, don't want to get out of the freebie life style and will always try to get everything they can.

      Due to the pandemic, alot of "normal" people have now fallen onto the government for help and assistance, these are not the people I'm referring to.

      Society needs to change behaviour, by discouraging tenants, racking up debts which are all written off, and should be penalised not rewarded.

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        #4
        So sorry you can't fathom this what seems to me a rather simple argument. Any clues please about which bits of it aren't clear to you so that I may try to shine a light for your good self?

        Best wishes to all, be they landlord, agent, tenant, council staff, council tax-payers, especially those-people-denied-rehousing-in-consequence-of-inconsiderate-landlord-evictions-methods.
        I am legally unqualified: If you need to rely on advice check it with a suitable authority - eg a solicitor specialising in landlord/tenant law...

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          #5
          Originally posted by landlord-man View Post
          Something which keeps cropping up which I don't for the life of me understand.
          Like most internet forums, you get one or two people who repeatedly post an opinion which makes it look more prevalant than it really is; people quickly just tune it out if it's something they don't agree with

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            #6
            Sorry Artful - I wasn't using your quote as an attack on you but I just struggle with the notion that all the lying, cheating tenants not housed by the local authority WILL end up being housed by private landlords.

            Landlords have enough to do with legislation which only applies to them and excludes social housing stock / local authorities / social landlords.

            If we are going to pre-warn social housing providers that certain tenants are "intentionally homeless" and rule them out of housing controlled by the LA, the private sector WILL end up housing them - and when they screw the next unsuspecting private landlord over - guess what - the Local Authority will step in to offer the hard done-by tenant guidance and protection.

            Comments have suggested that if the LA and LLs won't rehome them, a spell on the streets won't do them any harm. Sorry, I'm not seeing these families living on any streets or in cars near me.

            All that happens is they cheat their way in to private housing and leave yet another LL in the crap. Repeat, repeat.

            Yes, I am aware that there are scum landlords out there too - perhaps they've been screwed over that many times they've given up any notion of providing a well maintained property.

            Phew - got that off my chest, time for the meds now.

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              #7
              On a practical level, I don't think that most local authorities are likely to be joined up enough that a message from a landlord giving them information about a tenant being evicted is likely to have any value.
              Where would they store the information and how would it be brought to the attention of the departments and people who might need to do it.

              Deliberately making yourself homeless is an issue for emergency accommodation, as it removes the obligation on the local authority to find you somewhere to live if you are homeless.

              It seems to not have too much effect on council waiting list points systems.

              And any non-PRS rent paying tenant is unlikely to try the same approach to payment if they're fortunate enough to get social housing.
              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                #8
                Local authority homeless teams are not stupid, and do investigate in detail what led to the homelessness and in my experience they don't take s21s at face value but investigate all the circumstances.

                landlord-man your language is offensive. Many things lead to arrears, and it isn't necessarily deliberate for them to rack up arrears. DV, unemployment, the system of UC, bereavement, depression, other illness, accident, inability to understand how to budget , how to prioritise etc. Calling people lowlife trash is horrible.

                We need a legal system that understands keeping people in housing that is unaffordable because of the slow justice system does nobody any favours least of all the tenant.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jon66 View Post

                  landlord-man your language is offensive. Many things lead to arrears, and it isn't necessarily deliberate for them to rack up arrears. DV, unemployment, the system of UC, bereavement, depression, other illness, accident, inability to understand how to budget , how to prioritise etc. Calling people lowlife trash is horrible.
                  I was not referring to every tenant - I referred to Dodgy Tenants

                  A Tenant who willfully lies to get a Tenancy, makes no attempt to pay the rent, trashes the property, is the cause of anti-social behaviour, intimidates the Landlord and refuses to vacate IS Lowlife Trash.

                  Do you believe such scum are worthy of being rehomed by private sector landlords? No, let the local authority provide a home for them - and it seems the only way that happens is if the local authority aren't aware just how bad they are.

                  I also balanced my view with the fact that there are Scum Landlords out there too, but you don't seem to have an issue with that term.

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                    #10
                    On the occasions where I've had to evict a tenant who relies totally on benefits to support their family, I have given them a S21 and a S8 and informed the council. I always chase arrears via Money Claim Online (MCOL) even when there is little chance of getting the debt paid. In my experience it's ONLY been tenants who are unemployed who have got themselves into this situation because they've decided to spend the rent money on something other than rent.

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                      #11
                      Yes an inability to prioritise is an issue, as unfortunately for us tenants deal with their immediate needs which is often food on the table followed by car repayments. Child poverty has increased over the last 10 years and the homelessness figures are horrendous. 10 years of austerity and LASPO means few advice projects/law centres/debt counsellors which made a huge difference to tenants struggling, and one important aspects of their role was teaching prioritising and budgeting. Unfortunately with the loss of many categories of legal aid and dearth in professional advice, some of the civil enforcement that took place has dropped significantly.

                      I also take offense at the term 'scum landlords'. They bring shame to this industry and I despair that the laws are ignored and unenforced for the most part. But using abusive language doesn't show the person using it in a good light and personally I don't think it's the sort of language that should be used on a professional forum.

                      And ensuring you have a robust credit and referencing system in place is normally enough to head off the bad ones. The ones who apply as homeless who are culpable in ending up homeless tend to get assisted into the prs properties the local authority have access to via the landlords with whom they work directly. In my experience many of these properties are not in a good condition and are at the low end of the prs. And some inner city homeless acommodation I have seen can be very poor.

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                        #12
                        "not very nice landlords" and "tenants who regretfully are forced to do things to get what they want" will be used in future.

                        Maybe we should have a "tenancy scale" from 0 (really really bad) to 10 (God-like) and use that from now on?

                        I had a category 1 Tenant the other day.........much more pleasant and professional.

                        Sorry, but if a spade is a spade, I shall call it a spade.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jon66 View Post

                          Yes an inability to prioritise is an issue, as unfortunately for us tenants deal with their immediate needs which is often food on the table followed by car repayments.
                          That would indicate to me an ability to prioritise... literally the thing that keeps you alive, followed by the thing that gets you to work.

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                            #14
                            landlord-man,

                            I'm afraid that 'calling a spade a spade' is a racist term and offensive.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jon66 View Post
                              I'm afraid that 'calling a spade a spade' is a racist term and offensive.
                              That's not correct, the expression predates the racial slur (which is a 20th century invention).

                              Possibly best avoided in polite discourse, but not implicitly racist.
                              When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                              Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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