Landlords' lack of rights?

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    #16
    It is very easy to get sidetracked by a skewed approach to risk. In reality electrical risks are quite low (the number of residential electrocutions per year is tiny, and the number of those that are due to issues with household wiring or electrical fires in rental properties that would be prevented by this certification is absolutely tiny, possibly nearly zero. That is not to say it is not important. But there are many other much more important H&S risks that are totally ignored (I can think of at least a dozen - I won't mention them here in case some jobsworth decades to create more money making opportunities for middlemen).

    But anyway, you missed my point entirely -- it was not about the desirability or otherwise of electrical checks (which tenants obviously pay for) but about retrospective legislation (pricing a contract only to have the rules change afterwards).

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      #17
      Originally posted by Jon66 View Post

      No but is that happening?


      Yes.

      Originally posted by Jon66 View Post

      How do we ensure properties to rent are of a basic safe standard otherwise? And that's a genuine question not a rhetorical one.
      By simplifying and enforcing existing legislation.

      Dreaming up ever more unenforced and pointless laws achieves nothing.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Jon66 View Post
        I think the balance is about right and I am prepared to be shot down!
        What balance are you talking about? The balance caused by having the inability to act on legislation, or the balance of terrible tenants being subsidised by the great and decent majority?

        The whole premise of this thread is wrong. It is not about any sort of balance - between undifferentiated "tenants" on the one hand and undifferentiated "landlords" on the other. It is much more subtle than that. Often the balance is between both T & L on the one side and lawmakers on the other damaging both. Or it is a balance between the interests of crooks and decent folk. Or a balance between the interests of those who want cost effective decent safe short term flexible accommodation and those who want a home for a decade. What benefits one group may (and often does) harm the other. There is also a balance between the interests of people (T or L) in London versus anywhere else.
        What might benefit a student tenant in Hackney might severely harm a professional tenant in Grimbsby. There is a balance between those who need mobility and flexibility, and those who do not. A balance between those to whom cost is everything (and who are prepared to live in a small room) and those who have different priorities. What might benefit someone with lots of money and an unblemished record, might not benefit someone with a blemished record and a dog who is trying to prove they can make a new start.

        So there are many balances. And a lot of rubbish spoken.

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          #19
          At the moment I don't feel I have any rights. Tenant not paid rent since the start of Covid, not responding to correspondence, changed phone number, gone away to buy property and installed a relative in the property. In the meantime we have paid for a GSC and will have to have an electrical certificate done - probably before we can get them evicted.

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            #20
            Have you at least initiated a money claim online ("small" claims court)?

            But yes, it is facilitated theft. Not good for democracy, the economy or anything else. State facilitated murder, rape and other forms of abuse are some steps away - but not many.

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              #21
              pebblepebble,

              That is the point I'm making. We should be able to evict in 6 weeks. This is a Tory government. The announcement of staying possession proceedings gave a green light to tenants not to pay their rent, it was so stupid. If the Tories are doing this how bad could Labour be?

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                #22
                [QUOTE=mind the gap;n1113945]
                Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post
                Here are my thoughts for starters:

                a) The right to charge for repairs to damage caused by the tenant, where the LL has carried out the repairs themselves and not by a tradesman

                You can charge the tenant the full cost of repairing the damage via their tenancy deposit.
                But you can't charge for your own time as a LL if you make the repairs yourself. That's what I meant.

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                  #23
                  [QUOTE=Berlingogirl;n1114213]
                  Originally posted by mind the gap View Post

                  But you can't charge for your own time as a LL if you make the repairs yourself. That's what I meant.
                  Yes that does seem silly (obviously your own time is not a tax-deductible expense but that is a different issue.

                  But deposit deductions have to do with notional diminution in value -- there is no need to actually repair -- but the reality is that without an actual repair some things can be hard to cost. The consequence is that tenants pay more as you just get an expensive repairman.

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                    #24
                    [QUOTE=AndrewDod;n1114219]
                    Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post


                    But deposit deductions have to do with notional diminution in value -- there is no need to actually repair -- but the reality is that without an actual repair some things can be hard to cost. The consequence is that tenants pay more as you just get an expensive repairman.
                    Yes absolutely agree with you, that is what happens. But the previous system apparently did not work, where the deposit was taken and never returned, and deductions made that were not genuine losses, apparently . . .. The problem is there are some very bad landlords out there. Two friends, one renting a property with no carbon monoxide detector but a log burner, the other a detached house but no paperwork, no written tenancy agreement, no how to rent booklet, no epc, ancient electrics! And before I'm shot down I know there are also some diabolical tenants, particularly at the bottom end.

                    As long as enforcement remains a joke in this country, bad landlords will continue taking the piss. The real issue is that nobody is enforcing the laws we have, but then they make more laws, that again remain unenforced. But what can be done and is there any political will to do that?

                    There is an article in the law gazette today which is interesting. It's going to get worse for landlords that's for sure.

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