Locks on doors (and can/must L or T change locks)?

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    If a property gets broken into and a patio door is damaged. who is responsible for fix that? that landlord or the tenant?

  • #2
    i would charge the L/L bit of a grey area i think

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    • #3
      Definitely the landlord who should be insured against that kind of damage.

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      • #4
        L probably has insurance (property cover) for this damage. As T was not to blame for the break-in, L should be responsible and claim on policy.
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        • #5
          One of the downsides of renting a property as a tenant is that the keys have been given to numerous people before you - and they in turn could have made numerous copies and sold on.

          Every time I've moved into a property I've changed the locks - but then been presented with a bill for doing so on top of the bill for the locksmith and extra keys demanded.

          Despite warning in advance of signing the agreement that this is something I would do - I have always been penalised for doing so - in one case over £250 pounds - for no reason I could ever get to grips with.

          Personally, I would like to see it law that every new tenancy agreement = new locks.

          I cannot understand why it would be otherwise. I've had previous tenants enter the property whilst I was sleeping in on a Sunday - on the grounds that they had the keys - and were entitled to pickup their post!!!

          They weren't but what they hell can I do as a tenant having agreed to past locks being passed on?

          My insurance agent won't allow it - as I've been a tenant who's had their identity stolen - I have to pay a premium each year to ensure new locks - paid for by me - but often times I'm penalised for doing it.

          To get my insurance - I have to do it - I have to make my premises secure.

          Something I think most LL overlook and Lettings Agents who give the keys to goodness knows who.

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          • #6
            When I let out, I always change the locks before a new tenant moves in. When I move house, I do the same. Same thing when I sold a place, I changed the lock after previous tenant moved out, and assured new owner of the fact (and she could see that the lock mechanism was brand new).

            But changing the lock mechanism is a really simple thing to do, and as you would be able to reinstate the original locks at the end of the tenancy, what's the problem? I think you should learn to change a lock yourself, it's really not difficult, rather than having to cough up extortionate amounts. A tenner door should do the trick.

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            • #7
              Heather, you have a point. It doesn't make sense. Anything to make a buck these days.
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              • #8
                Surrey - that's an interesting thing to investigate - wish they did evening classes in such things. Might investigate to see if their is a simple DIY / maintain your property class.

                Doing it myself - I'd be scared of the drilling that seems to go on with changing locks.

                Did think of changing them back again - and then keeping a stock of locks per property - I move so often.

                But then it was the hassle - and plus because I'd had to give out keys to the owner and the letting agents - and had no control who they had then given them to - particularly as nearly all the properties I've rented have been advertised for sale - and the keys have then been passed on to other agencies and then again that impacts on insurance.

                Wish I had a landlord that did as you do!

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                • #9
                  No drilling required, if you have the key to the current lock. Honestly, it's dead easy! The only tools you will require are a screwdriver (straight and cross-head to be safe, depending on what the bits of door furniture have been held on with) and possibly a junior hacksaw.

                  On the side of the door, remove the screws that hold the lock mechanism on. There might also be one on the lock mechanism accessible from the back of the door as well.

                  Remove the locking mechanism.

                  Nah, I'm not going to type up instructions, they're on the bit of paper you get in the lock cylinder at B&Q. And you probably only need to buy a new cylinder, not the handle bit or the bit that attaches to the frame. Give it a go, it'll be worth your while and will save you a fortune next time you move!

                  If you don't want to go giving keys to the agent and landlord, then don't. If they have no reason to try the lock (and why should they?) then they'll never know, particularly if you change the cylinder back at the end of your tenancy.

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                  • #10
                    Locks on Doors

                    Hi There

                    I've recently taken over the management of my house from my parents and have got new tenants moving in on AST. A couple have them have said that they'd like locks on their doors as they're moving in with strangers etc which I can understand.

                    Does this effect the tenacy? And what about if the tenant fixes the lock and not me?

                    Can I just fit the locks with no further implications?

                    Thanks in advance.

                    Saul

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Saulreal View Post
                      Does this effect the tenancy? And what about if the tenant fixes the lock and not me?
                      Yes. And you haven't said how many tenants are moving in. Letting tenants fit locks is a really bad idea. You will not know what sort of botch job might be made until it is too late and the doors ruined.

                      Originally posted by Saulreal View Post
                      Can I just fit the locks with no further implications?
                      No. You may well come under HMO rules, which are council-dependant and variable. If not, then the tidiest way of providing a modest level of privacy is to fit a basic 2-lever sash lock and a decent handle with keyhole. something like this is what I have used
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                      • #12
                        Please clarify. Is this your home and you are a live-in landlord and therefore the tenants are actually lodgers?

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                        • #13
                          I don't live at the property and so they are tenants are not lodgers and all have separate AST. There are 4 tenants in the house.

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                          • #14
                            Locks on doors in student house

                            I'm asking as the parent of a student rather than as a landlord here. My daughter will be moving into a shared house in September. When I went to see the place it looks a typical student house, the landlord is very experienced and the contract is fine, but the individual bedrooms are not fitted with locks, which surprised me. One of the other students, who has valuable musical instruments, has asked to have a lock fitted and the landlord has agreed to go halves on the cost.
                            Just wondering if it is normal good practice to put locks on doors in HMOs?

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                            • #15
                              Firstly internal doors should be fire resistant in a HMO for at least 30 minutes (I think, but please correct me if not). I don't suppose there is anything to prevent yor daughter having a lock put on the door if no more than for security reasons, but make sure you have the landlord's permission
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