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    Gas certs due - no engineers :(

    As the title. I can't find an engineer. Does anyone have the same problem?

    Does anyone know the government's advice on this?

    #2
    Doh! There's an article on it in the news section

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      #3
      So, in summary, it seems to be:
      • LLs are still required to have checks done and GSC issued.
      • If there are problems, then LL must do their best to get it done and keep all evidence of their attempts.
      • That evidence can then be submitted as a defence for failing to have a GSC.

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        #4
        I can find gas engineer to do the check but tenants are not happy them entering the property, how can you persuade the tenants and reassure them it will be fine when this virus is so easily spreadable ?, And if the tenants then do get this virus then start blaming you and the engineer for possibly giving it to them ?

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          #5
          The tenants can try and blame who they like, but they'd have to have some way of showing that the engineer gave them the virus and breached a duty of care in so doing.

          I can understand a tenant being reluctant, though.
          When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
          Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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            #6
            I smell a ruse to avoid a s21 notice:

            'Oh, we can't possibly let the gasman in. He might give us Corona virus'
            To save them chiming in, JPKeates, Theartfullodger, Boletus, Mindthegap, Macromia, Holy Cow & Ted.E.Bear think the opposite of me on almost every subject.

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              #7
              But you can't evict with an S21 anyway, the courts are not processing evictions.

              I had a boiler service/GSC booked with one of the big companies for last Tuesday, (3 months late but that's my LL).

              Obviously the engineer didn't turn up to do the check.

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                #8
                My understanding is that courts have accepted s21 notices as valid if the landlord can evidence three documented refusals to allow access to the gas engineer.

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                  #9
                  I have a tenant who is shielding and does not want a gas engineer in the property. I have got this in writing from the tenant.

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                    #10
                    It’s funny how tenants become extremely accommodating if the boiler breaks down though!

                    I used to work for a housing association, after a couple of missed gas checks we capped off the gas meter outside...amazing how quick we were given access. Not all gas meters are outside unfortunately but if the gas or electric ever goes off, it’s a great opportunity to catch up with a allusive tenant.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by patrick27 View Post

                      I used to work for a housing association, after a couple of missed gas checks we capped off the gas meter outside...amazing how quick we were given access.
                      Is that not a criminal offence?
                      Maybe harassment?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by MdeB View Post

                        Is that not a criminal offence? ( cutting off the gas )
                        Maybe harassment?
                        The object of a gas check is to see that the equipment is safe, and no leaks, and you don't kill anyone.

                        If you cannot see that the equipment is safe, and no leaks, and you won't kill anyone, then you have to assume the worst, and that it is not safe until an engineer says it's safe, if there is nothing to say it is safe, then it will be unsafe, - - therefore you cut off the gas.

                        If you have no M.O.T test certificate for your car, it is deemed unsafe until an engineer says it's safe and supplies a certificate.
                        No M.O.T, then you can't use the car on the road.
                        Refusal to allow a new "safe" Gas cert', then you can't use the gas equipment. --
                        Landlord has a duty to protect tenants, and if he / she is unable to certify the gas equipment is safe, then he / she must ensure those items do not get used.

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                          #13
                          My Gas engineer is available but my tenant dosent want it done. They are supposed to be "long term self isolating" I believe she has cleared off to her parents 250 miles away rather than as a single person self isolate alone. I have to pass the house on my way home and for 3 nights there have not been any lights on in the house. The rent is paid (at the moment)
                          And with our letting agent being closed I cant ask them to do an inspection.

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                            #14
                            You could serve a notice through the letterbox to inspect yourself and if the tenant doesn't object, you can use your own keys to carry out the inspection at least 24 hours later. However, this may not help you as the tenant has already objected to the gas check. I understand that the courts have in the past accepted three documented refusals by the tenant and allowed the possession hearing to take place.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ram View Post
                              it is deemed unsafe until an engineer says it's safe and supplies a certificate.
                              This doesn't make sense. The cert only tells us that the equipment was safe at the time of the inspection. It tells us nothing about it 5 minutes after the engineer has left the property, unsafe or otherwise.

                              The certificate and the work carried out to issue it only serves to indicate that we're following best practice for safety. No one should assume it's safe or unsafe simply on the basis of the cert.



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