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    I have tenants who have been renting a property off me and the ast expires in may this year, they will be renewing the ast for another 6 months this may and then for another 6 months in november, at what time will a safety certificate be needed, will it be April 1st 2020 or April 1st 2021?

    #2
    It will probably be when the tenant renews with a new AST in November (assuming the legislation passes).
    It may not apply to "follow on" tenancies, but it's hard to know at this point.
    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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      #3
      Funnily enough I was looking at this situation only yesterday. As I read it the requirements say you will need an EPC from April 2020. If your EPC runs out in November you won't have an EPC so it will need renewing.

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        #4
        Why are you 'renewing' the tenancy rather than allowing it to become periodic?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post
          Funnily enough I was looking at this situation only yesterday. As I read it the requirements say you will need an EPC from April 2020. If your EPC runs out in November you won't have an EPC so it will need renewing.
          Further to this, I asked the EPC assessor who came round today and he said you do need a valid EPC from April 2020. You shouldn't let your EPC run out.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Berlingogirl View Post

            Further to this, I asked the EPC assessor who came round today and he said you do need a valid EPC from April 2020. You shouldn't let your EPC run out.
            I thought the EPC was needed only at the start of a tenancy.

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              #7
              An EPC is NOT an Electrical Safety Cert!

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                #8
                Originally posted by TREK View Post
                I have tenants who have been renting a property off me and the ast expires in may this year, they will be renewing the ast for another 6 months this may and then for another 6 months in november, at what time will a safety certificate be needed, will it be April 1st 2020 or April 1st 2021?
                An electrical safety certificate is not routinely required

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mariner View Post
                  An EPC is NOT an Electrical Safety Cert!
                  DOH! I didn't read the OP's post correctly. Sorry everyone, my mistake. I'm dyslexic

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Section20z View Post
                    An electrical safety certificate is not routinely required
                    It will be from July 1st.
                    When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                    Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                      #11
                      For all NEW tenancies from 1st July 2020

                      For ALL tenancies from 1st July 2021

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                        #12
                        For those of us who are law nerds, this is going to be an interesting bit of legal process.

                        What's being proposed is that the new regulation is a statutory instrument, not an actual "law".
                        Which means that it won't be debated in parliament (it might be but it doesn't have to be) or passed through the various readings and reviews including scrutiny by the House of Lords.

                        It's a parliamentary process which is meant to be used for minor bits of business (like deciding the start date of some legislation or changing a deadline from 14 days to 28 days) being used for something completely different.
                        Which means it's likely to be a bit of a disaster - because no one will have the chance to point out any flaws with the law.

                        One possible consequence with the law as proposed is that every single tenancy in England may need to be ended while every property is re-wired to bring the internal wiring up to standard.
                        When I post, I am expressing an opinion - feel free to disagree, I have been wrong before.
                        Please don't act on my suggestions without checking with a grown-up (ideally some kind of expert).

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                          #13
                          Secondary legislation is used for a lot more than minor changes. A lot of Acts are simply enabling measures, with most of the details provided by secondary legislation, e.g. building regulations are, as their name implied, defined by regulations, and regulations are secondary legislation. The key fire safety law, that applies to communal areas of flats is also defined by secondary legislation.

                          Acts can specify whether the secondary legislation authorised by the Act is or is not subject to negative resolution. If not, it must be voted on by parliament. If it is, parliament can veto it, but it goes through by default.

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                            #14
                            jpkeates,

                            I think it's time for a landlords' strike, isn't it?

                            How about if none of us comply? (Not that it will be easy to comply anyway.) They can't lock us all up!

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                              #15
                              I'm getting so combobbolationed that I hardly know my ar*e from my elbow.

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