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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by Mogino View Post
    Since you are incapable of sense and reason, there is no point in responding to my posts.
    This is a public forum and you don't get to decide who responds to your posts (and nor do I).

    It's also a forum for landlord issues, such as whether a potential future labour government might allow tenants to purchase houses from private landlords.
    I'm not entirely clear what the assertion that statistics are "a guess" is actually contributing to that discussion.

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  • Mogino
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    This is just nonsense.

    If you perform a clinical trial on 10 people and hold their heads underwater for 48 hours, all of them will drown.
    You can extrapolate from that that holding someone's head underwater for 48 hours will kill them.
    Since you are incapable of sense and reason, there is no point in responding to my posts.
    It is also quite obvious that you have nothing better to do in your life than heckle and troll.

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by Mogino View Post
    This is why clinical trials are defective in concept, because these trials can only say that something was so or not so, for the people they tested "X" on, in those moments that it was tested on them. Nothing more can be said. Yet those who are behind these trials make all kinds of baseless extrapolations and conclusions, for everyone who will use "X".
    This is just nonsense.

    If you perform a clinical trial on 10 people and hold their heads underwater for 48 hours, all of them will drown.
    You can extrapolate from that that holding someone's head underwater for 48 hours will kill them.

    Similarly, 17 plus 17 is 34 (in base 10).
    That's a fact.
    It will always be the case and that makes it a truth.

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  • Mogino
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    Originally posted by MdeB View Post

    What do you mean by this?
    Statistics are viewed as and often claimed as being "the truth".
    However, this is not so and cannot ever be so. At best, they are a guess.
    It also depends on the question/hypothesis the statistics are setup to answer or "prove".
    Furthermore, the architect of the question/hypothesis will arrange the data to prove or disprove something, whichever is the answer they seek.
    This is not truth. It is basic manipulation.

    Finally, people actually know very little about life, but we claim to know a lot. The way people have chosen to function and behave in life, and also because every single person is unique, means that all a single person can really say, in any given moment in time for any particular thing, is that something looks like being so or not being so, for them. In an hour's time, tomorrow, next month, it will be different.

    Nothing is ever unmoving and unchanging. Even stone/rocks move, albeit extremely slowly in our perception.
    This is why clinical trials are defective in concept, because these trials can only say that something was so or not so, for the people they tested "X" on, in those moments that it was tested on them. Nothing more can be said. Yet those who are behind these trials make all kinds of baseless extrapolations and conclusions, for everyone who will use "X".

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by Mogino View Post
    so-called statistics
    What do you mean by this?

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  • Mogino
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    Originally posted by buzzard1994 View Post
    Doesnt mean I cant extrapolate from the facts
    And no-one has to extrapolate anything. Those who do so, freely choose to do so. There is no need to do this, for anyone.
    I know some companies have chosen to take various actions (and others who have followed suit like sheep), but these are all premature actions and are entirely based on negative things which do not exist in reality, such as beliefs, fears, worries, anxieties, imagined things, etc., and that these negative unreal things will probably have been based on so-called statistics, which are nothing more than guesswork/opinion/imagination, and which are rooted in fears, etc.

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  • Mogino
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    Originally posted by buzzard1994 View Post
    Rubbish. It's true that I dont know what will happen and nor does anyone else. Doesnt mean I cant extrapolate from the facts
    We don't have any facts to extrapolate from. Yes, we have fears, theories, anxieties, imagined things, beliefs, etc. But facts, no.

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  • leaseholder64
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    I really do hate statistics! Does this mean 98.5% of Londoners over the age of 35 are home owners?
    The percentage is 100 * (number of people between 35 and 44 * 0.31 + number of people aged over 55 * 9,675 + number of people aged between 45 and 54 * fraction of people aged between 45 and 54 owning homes) / (number of people between 35 and 44 + number people aged over 55 + number of people between 45 an 54).

    From that, all you can say is that the percentage is neither 0% nor 100%.

    One could make various, probably reasonable assumptions that would result in the answer being somewhere between 31% and 67.5%, but you would need the percentage owned by those between 45 and 54, before one could be certain.

    None of this will tell the proportion of houses. Also, these figures may well be from the 2011 census, and seriously out of date.

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  • buzzard1994
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    I really do hate statistics! Does this mean 98.5% of Londoners over the age of 35 are home owners?
    obviously not. No mention of the 44-55 group so impossible to work out a figure even if these statistics were true.

    To quote a statistician

    "The old saying is that “figures will not lie,” but a new saying is “liars will figure.” It is our duty, as practical statisticians, to prevent the liar from figuring; in other words, to prevent him from perverting the truth, in the interest of some theory he wishes to establish."

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  • buzzard1994
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    Originally posted by Mogino View Post

    You don't know that and nor does anyone else. You can guess, speculate, believe, but you don't know, anymore than anyone knows when (not if) the supermassive black hole in our galaxy will start re-feeding and if it does, it will very quickly gobble up our tiny little solar system into its void.

    Nobody knows what will happen when the UK leaves the EU and so living with imagined things as if they were real, is 100% pointless and is the No.1 cause of why over 97% of the people in the world suffer in some way.
    Rubbish. It's true that I dont know what will happen and nor does anyone else. Doesnt mean I cant extrapolate from the facts and decide which is the bigger risk - a Corbyn government or a trashed economy. This is like saying you live in a flood risk area but dont make plans to protect your property because you dont know when it's going to flood.

    Exactly how much damage will be done is impossible to predict, that there will be substantial damage is not. Foreign speculators will be picking up some property and that will provide a floor for house prices. However the latest right wing carry on mean that this country looks like its heading for a right wing coup and will lose it's attraction as a safe well managed haven. If I was younger I'd leave for a place better able to withstand climate change, another forseeable disaster more people will ignore until its too late.

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by Kape65 View Post

    I really do hate statistics! Does this mean 98.5% of Londoners over the age of 35 are home owners?
    No.
    Not at all.

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  • Mogino
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    It's not possible for a philosophical position that nothing is 100% knowable to also accommodate the notion of a "fact".

    The two notions are mutually exclusive.

    You are misunderstanding things.

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  • Kape65
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    Originally posted by AndrewDod View Post

    I should have said at the third tertile. In 2018:

    67.5% of people aged 55 or over in London own their own home
    31% of people age 35 to 44 own their own home
    I really do hate statistics! Does this mean 98.5% of Londoners over the age of 35 are home owners?

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  • Hudson01
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    Originally posted by JK0 View Post

    I think a lot of that was liberals in the House of Lords. The sooner we get rid of that shower, the better.
    With the utter chaos going on at the moment i would rule nothing out, and what happened in the past is exactly that ..... the past and cannot be looked at as an indicator of what may happen in the future, i am keeping a very open mind coupled with a total distrust of ANY govt who comes into power, if this looks to be coming in i am jumping ship before the masses do.

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  • JK0
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    Originally posted by John Duff View Post
    It's almost guaranteed to happen in some guise or another I'm afraid. Even under the Conservatives. Remember how they kept pinching labour policies (e.g. meddling in the energy market or tenant fees/S21 ban)?
    I think a lot of that was liberals in the House of Lords. The sooner we get rid of that shower, the better.

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