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  • Calif123
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    Landlord CCTV camera pointing into shower cubicle

    Hello all,

    I'm a tenant and have just moved into a rented property under a 6 month fixed term AST. The landlord lives next door.

    After moving in, I discovered that the landlord has a CCTV camera affixed to this property on the roof, with clear line sight into our en suite shower cubicle, via the skylight.

    The camera is a 360 dome style, and the landlord claims it is for his own security. He claims it points to his gate, but the glass is tinted black so there is no way of knowing. I cannot view the camera as the camera is wired back to the landlords house.

    I have asked the landlord to remove, but he refuses. The Police are not interested.

    I'd be grateful if anyone knew what the legal mechanisms may be to enforce removal of such an obscene camera?

    I have tried looking, but it is not an item of disrepair and as such, there is no mention in law of how to get it removed.

    Also, the council only seem to care about physical hazards, not privacy related issues.

    The ICO don't want to know either. It seems noone cares and I (+family) am stuck!

    Many thanks,

  • nukecad
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    See this HOC Library Briefing Paper from July 2018.
    researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01803/SN01803.pdf

    Legally your only possibility is the Protection from Harassment Act 1977.
    As said above though, you would have to have evidence that the CCTV is in fact pointing at (and zoomed into?) the skylight, and that your neighbour is watching you take showers.

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  • leaseholder64
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    Having made such accusations, you can expect a section 21 notice at the earliest opportunity, but, if you are right, blocking the window will deny the offender entertainment until you can be removed, and they can't even seek possession until after the six months end.

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  • sam_cat
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    As for privacy film, we use this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rabbitgoo%C...dp/B01MSY9NJ6/
    Applied some more recently on a small strip window by the front door, dead easy to apply. Offer up, trim to size, clean window with spray window cleaner, spray more window cleaner on, peel backing from film and slide it on. Adjust then squeege our the excess moisture. Done!
    Took about 20 minutes as the window is awkward (very long!) so getting things lined up nicely took a couple of goes. Easier with two of you

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  • sam_cat
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    Originally posted by leaseholder64 View Post
    If it has IR illumination, an IR sensitive camera, even a very cheap surveillance camera, may well be able to see in which direction the illumination is pointing.
    Or your mobile phone.

    Try it, use your mobile phone camera and point it at the IR led on a tv remote when pushing buttons...

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by mariner View Post
    The solution has been offered fo OP, if they are not prepared to interrupt line of sight to shower cubicle, they may be guilty of complicity.
    Zero possibility.

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by Calif123 View Post
    Taping up my windows so that the landlord cant see into my shower from the camera he has installed outside the skylight is not an adequate remedy when I am paying for a house that is not "monitored".
    What kind of solution were you hoping for?

    The Protection From Harassment Act 1997 allows you to take out a civil injunction if you can show that you are being harrassed.
    But you have no evidence that the neighbour is using the camera or where it points.

    I would serve notice and, in the meantime, block the view as suggested.

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  • mariner
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    The solution has been offered fo OP, if they are not prepared to interrupt line of sight to shower cubicle, they may be guilty of complicity.

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  • Hudson01
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    Have you asked to view what the camera can see ? If he refuses that then he has something to hide, and if it is pointing to where you think then its time to look for somewhere else to live given he is clearly a pervert.

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  • Jon66
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    So you don't want a pragmatic response but have already received advice that it would be very difficult to achieve a legal remedy. Perhaps an injunction application would be appropriate, good luck with that one!

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  • Calif123
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    Taping up my windows so that the landlord cant see into my shower from the camera he has installed outside the skylight is not an adequate remedy when I am paying for a house that is not "monitored".

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  • nukecad
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    As said, stick on film on the skylight, or even a skylight blind is probably easiest for your peace of mind.

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  • leaseholder64
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    What evidence do you have that it is pointed at? I assume that both the police and ICO believe that it is unlikely to be be so pointed.

    Hiding the the direction of the camera is considered best practice, these days.

    You can buy stick on film that can easily be removed, when you leave, that has the effect of making the glass look like obscure glass.

    You could probably also blind it by pointing a spotlight at it, but getting the level such that it didn't blind it in a legitimate direction might be difficult.

    Also, I'm not convinced the glass is really that dark. Dark glass would make it inefficient in low light. I think you you look at it carefully, with binoculars, you will be able to see where it is pointed. If it has IR illumination, an IR sensitive camera, even a very cheap surveillance camera, may well be able to see in which direction the illumination is pointing.

    If it is pointing at a gate onto the public highway, I believe it will need data protection registration, and you should be able to stand in the claimed target area, and then make a subject access request for the video of your standing there.

    Really though, they should simply show you the live image, but that is a way of defusing the situation, rather than a legal requirement.

    Deliberately doing what you are alleging would get them on the sex offenders register, and make them ineligible for landlord licensing or any future landlord registration schemes.

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