PCOL HELP! - Due in court next week. How do I prepare, What happens next?

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  • PCOL HELP! - Due in court next week. How do I prepare, What happens next?

    I am seeking possession of one of my properties. I have issued the tenant with a section 8 (FORM-3), and applied for the possession order online using PCOL. The tenant also owes me several months rent (£12k+) - complicated story I don't want to get into now. Obviously, I have put in a claim on the arrears owed and I'm seeking to recover monies due me.

    We are due in court next week. This is my first time going through this. My questions are:

    1. What (if anything), in terms of documentation etc., do I need to take to court?
    2. What actually happens in the court room - what can I expect to happen (in terms of procedures etc.)
    3. Regarding getting the tenant out - what do I get her out of my property? Do I go over to the property after the court and tell her to clear out of my property?, or do bailiffs have to get involved (at additional costs etc.) ?
    4. Regarding the monies owed, do I need to do anything else in terms of getting her to commit to some repayment plan or something (she has breached several of these in the past). In short, how do I get mydamned money back - or at least, a good portion of it back?

    I hope to get some good advice from someone who has walked this path before.

  • TakashiJo
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    I have recieved a letter from the court to transfer this claim to the high court for the purpose of enforcing the possession order granted by the court.

    What do I do next in order to be able to get baillifs to remove the tenant from the property?

    Do I have to apply (yet again) for a "Writ of Possession"?

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  • TakashiJo
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    Originally posted by MdeB View Post
    Remember to ask the judge to include in the judgement that the deposit is to be paid to you, otherwise deposit schemes will consider the money to still belong to the tenant.
    For some reason, I've only just seen this comment - AFTER having attended court. Is there ANYTHING at all I can do now? For example, when I make a money claim?

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by TakashiJo View Post

    For some reason, I've only just seen this comment - AFTER having attended court. Is there ANYTHING at all I can do now? For example, when I make a money claim?
    I believe that you can ask the court to vary the judgement to include awarding the deposit to you. Phone the court and ask.

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  • mariner
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    Takashijo, join NLA/RLA, or undertake some LL training!

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  • KTC
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    If you have a court order that state that the tenant owes you £XYZ in rent, then you can use that as evidence in a deposit arbitration to get them to award you the deposit. Alternatively yes, you can make the scheme hold onto the deposit while you seek a court order in relation to the deposit. Will probably take longer though.

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  • TakashiJo
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    Originally posted by MdeB View Post
    Remember to ask the judge to include in the judgement that the deposit is to be paid to you, otherwise deposit schemes will consider the money to still belong to the tenant.
    For some reason, I've only just seen this comment - AFTER having attended court. Is there ANYTHING at all I can do now? For example, when I make a money claim?

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  • jpkeates
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    Originally posted by TakashiJo View Post
    I guess what I'm asking is that do I register the CCJ now using her current address, or do I wait until she is evicted, then use a tracer service to get her new address and then register the CCJ against her?
    Register it at the latest address you have.

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  • theartfullodger
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    Google N244 guidance

    Our government has been seriously cutting back on court numbers and court funding: Consequences obvious. I'd be surprised if you got any real help on that number, it's your job to know what to do.

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  • TakashiJo
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    For what it's worth (other landlord's might find this useful). I was on the phone with the "Personal Support Unit" (asking for information on how to fill in a N244 form), when a call from my solicitor came through, I told the lady from the PSU that I'll just tell my solicitor that I'll call him back, so could she please wait a minute, she grudgingly agreed to hold on.

    I told my solicitor I would call him back, and immediately returned to the previous caller (I was no longer than 10 seconds), she had dropped the call. I called the PSU four times consecutively, each time the phone rung, it was picked up only to be dropped immediately (with no voice on the other end).

    I waited half an hour before calling the number again (0207 947 7701/3), only to find that my number has been blocked. This is from a government agency no less.

    These are interesting times indeed, I've been thrown in at the deep end, and I am fast learning that apart from the group of other landlords on here (who have been extremely helpful), I'm pretty much on my own. It's good to know; at least I have empirical evidence to justify my modified behaviour going forward.
    Last edited by TakashiJo; 15-02-2019, 10:29 AM. Reason: Looks like my phone number is banned from the number ending '03' as well!

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  • TakashiJo
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    The ccj isn't automatically registered when it's a possession hearing, so write (letter and envelope!) to the court asking that they register the judgement, so it will show up in future credit searches.
    I just spoke to the court, and they told me I can send in my request by email. I'd rather send it by recorded delivery, just to be sure. My question then is that can I still go ahead with registering the CCJ against the tenant, knowing that her address will shortly change (once she has been evicted?). There is also a good chance that once she is evicted, I will no longer have her address.

    I guess what I'm asking is that do I register the CCJ now using her current address, or do I wait until she is evicted, then use a tracer service to get her new address and then register the CCJ against her?

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  • TakashiJo
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    Originally posted by KTC View Post

    Err, no! The council had done absolutely nothing wrong. The entitlement to housing benefit (or housing element of universal credit) belongs to the tenant, not the landlord. A tenant don't need any landlord's authorisation to claim a benefit they're entitled to, and the council don't need any authorisation to pay the money to the person entitled to the benefit.

    If a tenant owes more than two months rent, you the landlord can apply for the housing benefit payment to be made directly to you. You failed to make an application when you were entitled to, there's no one else to blame here I'm afraid.
    Thanks for the clarification - at least now, I know not to pursue that avenue and waste even further money. For what it's worth, from the experience I have had, I am no longer going to entertain any tenants from Councils in ANY of my properties - henceforth.

    The councils wonder why Landlords don't want to deal with them, and the few who do, get treated abysmally. I've done my part for "social good" for now - let some other sucker -empathise with housing benefit / universal credit (or whatever it's called nowadays) claimants - NEVER AGAIN!

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  • theartfullodger
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    Originally posted by MdeB View Post

    How, then, do you determine if T has left?
    Arrange normal inspection, usual process.

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  • MdeB
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    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    And don't turn up uninvited or without notice at your tenant's home, that's a bad move.
    How, then, do you determine if T has left?

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  • KTC
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    Originally posted by TakashiJo View Post
    Can I include the council in my claim - given that they were not explicitly mentioned in my initial claim (although I produced documentation showing payments being made directly to the tenant instead of myself - without my authorisation)?
    Err, no! The council had done absolutely nothing wrong. The entitlement to housing benefit (or housing element of universal credit) belongs to the tenant, not the landlord. A tenant don't need any landlord's authorisation to claim a benefit they're entitled to, and the council don't need any authorisation to pay the money to the person entitled to the benefit.

    If a tenant owes more than two months rent, you the landlord can apply for the housing benefit payment to be made directly to you. You failed to make an application when you were entitled to, there's no one else to blame here I'm afraid.

    Originally posted by jpkeates View Post
    And don't turn up uninvited or without notice at your tenant's home, that's a bad move.
    There's nothing wrong with checking after the expiry of the PO whether the tenant is still in possession. They are, so OP left. Perfectly fine.

    p.s. Technically, there's only the one county court now, all the different county court buildings and hearing centres around the country is the county court at XYZ.

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